S'poreans to get priority for P1 places during balloting
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absolut_vodka:
I know of one family, half their kids go/went to NYPS while the other went MGS!!!I'm sorry - at some point if you were a student of a certain school that is not govt funded, you would have been subjected to fund raising so definitely not true that old boys/gals do not contribute financially to the school. In all likelihood, those who have little 'affiliation' with their schools probably will not enroll their child(ren) in the school either (or these may be singles). Those with child(ren) and come from schools with strong alumni network will definitely continue their affiliations with the schools in whatever forms. Like someone said, try asking an ACS boy not to send their sons back to ACS, its practically impossible! I have a galfren who was from nanyang primary who just had a son - she has the choice of nanyang primary and ACS(J) - guess which school they are choosing for their son?
It comes back to the point again - why did the particular school become good or popular? It is because of her past, and thus its contributions from the old boys/gals! -
have done a search on this link http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/content/novena
actually there are more than enough places for everyone, be it PRs or SCs or even foreigners. it became problem when everyone rushing into Prime schools when government started meritocracy. see balastier hill primary school has only 33% TUC. compare to SJI, ACS, SCGS.
so why are we crying foul here that we do not have places for school? we should say, we have places for school but we want only TOP school. Government, please do something, we want to complaint, otherwise beware of next GE.
imaging if government do it away with the ranking system and put everyone on ballot for the school of their choice withou what phases and everyone is supposed to accept the outcome, will anyone complaint since there is no ranking? I may be wrong, but i think this could possibly satisfy everyone. -
I'm sorry, these pple that I am talking about were in SG since Pri school and yet, they still left eventually. Just take our closest neighbors - the malaysians. How many eventually sink their roots here? Many study here, work here and (get PR status). Once they reach retirement, they give up their PR status, take back their CPF monies and move back to Malaysia to enjoy their golden retirement with more than double the spending power (since they earned S$ all these while). Some even better - keep their PR status, keep their HDB flats and collect rental every month while living in Malaysia. So tell me, why shouldn't Singaporeans get priority?
wayne lai:
[/quote]I partially agree with you.
It really depends on when these PR kids joined the school system. The later they enter (e.g. in Sec or JC), the less likely they'll stay. Those that come during Uni - forget it. SG will be used as a stepping stone.
At the early Primary level, before they start seeking out their own kind, they will not have much problem integrating. PRCs, Indian nationals, fillipinos, caucasions - they all speak with our singaporean accent when they start school early here.
My basic point is that the Alumni numbers in 2A should be capped. Why hasn't anyone discussed this? I am not against alumni having priority, I am only suggesting a limit to the number of free rides.absolut_vodka:
You are assuming that they want to integrate - but how many really do? Even at my time, (I was from one of the top schools) where there were plenty of indonesians, they formed their own groups and didnt really hang out with us. As far as I know, none of them are still here. They have either gone home (rich indon families) or gone on to study/work/live in US. SG, was only a stepping stone for them - none of them sank roots here...
[quote=\"wayne lai\"]My humble opinion is that the Govt has gotten this wrong.
I am a born and bred Singaporean, and I am saddened that we have forgotten our roots on meritocracy and encouraging social mobility based on ability. By discouraging PRs with this move, we are doing our nation a disservice! Let's not forget we started out as an immigrant society, and we will be weaker without talent inflow. The problems we face with non-Singaporeans are due to their poor integration. The best way to integrate PRs into our society is get them into our Primary schools when they are YOUNG!
If you look at the TOTAL number of places allocated in popular primary schools, the problem with NOT enough places is that there is an unlimited allocation for alumni. >90% of alumni who get in during Phase 2A live more than 1km from the school! And alumni often make up more than 30% of the places, and their numbers are increasing yearly.
There is no social equality here, because children coming from these established homes gets a free ticket into the school. At the expense of families who live within 1 - 2km.
With this new law against PRs, only a few more places are released for SCs. If only we were to CAP the number of alumni (e.g. to maybe 25% of available places), allocate the rest based on Phase 2B criteria, proximity, etc, we will have a lot more places available for both SCs and PRs. -
absolut_vodka:
yes, i didnt know there were so many malaysians (pr and non) in dd's class when she was in primary school. you cant tell them and us apart because they have been here since young (mums happily had their babies here). only when they started talking about going back for cny, holidays then i know.I'm sorry, these pple that I am talking about were in SG since Pri school and yet, they still left eventually. Just take our closest neighbors - the malaysians. How many eventually sink their roots here? Many study here, work here and (get PR status). Once they reach retirement, they give up their PR status, take back their CPF monies and move back to Malaysia to enjoy their golden retirement with more than double the spending power (since they earned S$ all these while). Some even better - keep their PR status, keep their HDB flats and collect rental every month while living in Malaysia. So tell me, why shouldn't Singaporeans get priority?
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So if a Singaporean stay at 1-2km & a PR stay at 1Km does it mean that Singaporean have priority in entering or even meant for balloting? The Singaporean 2 tickets & PR 1 ticket system still they use or scrap? :rahrah:
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titank:
So if a Singaporean stay at 1-2km & a PR stay at 1Km does it mean that Singaporean have priority in entering or even meant for balloting? The Singaporean 2 tickets & PR 1 ticket system still they use or scrap? :rahrah:
Yes, all Singaporeans will be admitted before PRs in the event of oversubscription. With that in place, there shouldn't be a need for the 2 ticket/1 ticket ballot anymore. But if there are more Singaporeans than places available there will still be ballotting among the Singaporeans. -
Singaporean children must be given the priority for a confirmed enrollment, over children of PR status.
Not like current system where 2 ballot slips of white paper given to Citizen, one ballot slip given to PR.
Admit all Singapore children first.
This is what implementation of the new policy, take off wef July 2012 is all about. -
actually its fair enough for singaporean to get priority. it happen to every country.
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nowadays, not only malaysian move back to Malaysia to enjoy their golden retirement . in fact has many SC also moves to jb to enjoy their golden retirement
absolut_vodka:
I'm sorry, these pple that I am talking about were in SG since Pri school and yet, they still left eventually. Just take our closest neighbors - the malaysians. How many eventually sink their roots here? Many study here, work here and (get PR status). Once they reach retirement, they give up their PR status, take back their CPF monies and move back to Malaysia to enjoy their golden retirement with more than double the spending power (since they earned S$ all these while). Some even better - keep their PR status, keep their HDB flats and collect rental every month while living in Malaysia. So tell me, why shouldn't Singaporeans get priority?
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Respect and cherish alumni contributions
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32400&p=735402#p735402
http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=32400&start=980
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