MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni
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blessed777:
Frankly I've no idea how the school (or MOE) decides the no. of places for phase 2A.. But one possibility is that actually, there aren't as many applicants applying under phase 2A as we've thought; and that' s why the quota was never filled..
Perhaps what Phtthp n mum_sugoku meant is there is a 'cap' but according to each school discretion while what Vicki propose is to reduce/limit of phase 2A intake? As we can see at balloting history that phase 2A intake for example at some bkt timah popular prm schools 2010 btw 27-36% of vacancies which is high enough leaving just abt 18-41% vacancies for the rest of the remaining phase.vicki:
Dear phtthp n mum_sugoku,
I give up.
I believe we are on the wrong frequency. Here we all talking abt capping 2A so that more vacancies can be 'allocated' to the 2B n 2C n there u guys are talking abt Yes Yes there is a cap cos not all applicants who apply in 2A will get in if there are more applicants than vacancies available in 2A.
Do u see the diff?
Mine scenario: Cap to free up spaces for 2B n 2C.
Your scenario: Cap cos too many applicants in 2A. Too bad for 2B n 2C cos after 2A is 'capped' n balloted for - there are no more vacancies left for the later phases.
Pls do correct me otherwise if I'm wrong but pls don't quote me a '1977' MOE policy cos we had just had a 'healthy discussion' on a '1990 policy' or a 'school imposed alumni admission restriction (2a1) policy cos 'if cant join alumni then go via 2a2 old boys/ old girls lor'.
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dorisp:
Oh well.. Officially, there's a cap for all phases except phase 1.
Just called MOE 2 minutes ago checking if there are any \"cap\" for P2A. The answer is \"NO\" as far as the current system goes.phtthp:
:thankyou: very much mum_sugoku, for clarification, as not many people realize that 2A has already been capped subtedly. Much appreciated.
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It is possible for schools to have all Primary 1 places taken up by Phase 2A and nothing left for P2B and P2C.
http://moeuxwp03.moe.gov.sg/press/2004/pr20040611.htm[quote]Allocation of Places
12 Children will be allocated places in the school according to the order of priority spelt out in the Registration Scheme at Annex A . Balloting will be conducted should the number of applications exceed the number of vacancies from Phase 2A(1) to Phase 2C Supplementary.
13 At the end of Phase 2A(2), 50% of the remaining places in each school will be allocated for Phase 2B registrants in the school and the other 50% for Phase 2C registrants. If the number of qualifying applicants in Phase 2B exceeds the 50% cap, successful applicants will be determined first by proximity category of residence to the school and then by ballot. In the event that the allocated places for Phase 2B is not taken up, the remaining vacancies will be carried forward to Phase 2C.[/quote] -
mum_sugoku:
I think the confusion begins with the different interpretation of the word \"cap\".
No. My \"scenario\" is that so far, no. of applicants under phase 2A had never exceeded the cap (\"cap\": no. of places available under phase 2A), therefore there's no need for balloting and all who applied under 2A would get in.
If applicants in P2A (including those registered in Phase 1) didn't exceed total places available, yes there is no need to ballot, all will get in. And after all in P2A gets in, the remaining places will be divided between P2B and P2C.
In recent years the total take up rate at end of P2A has grown thus leaving fewer and fewer places for P2B and P2C. One possibility for this to happen is where many, including those staying very far from the school, has taken up P2A places and deprives those P2B and P2C who are staying very near.
The discussion is on whether it is \"fair\" to continue this \"unlimited\" privilege for all P2A applicants or should there be a \"cap\" (that is limit) to intakes of P2A so to ensure reasonable places for these <1km P2B and P2C applicants.
Hope this is clear.
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mum_sugoku:
Frankly I've no idea how the school (or MOE) decides the no. of places for phase 2A.. But one possibility is that actually, there aren't as many applicants applying under phase 2A as we've thought; and that' s why the quota was never filled..[/quote]Mum_sugoku, the current quota for phase 1 and phase 2A is the total number of vacancies in the schools. Of course, there are limited applicants, so it can't fill the total vancancies available in the school, so the leftover is divided equally to phase 2B and 2C. However, going forward, with more and more alumni coming out from the branded schs, over the years, there will be more and more under phase 2A coming onboard and it may reduce the number of vacancies for 2B and 2C. I believe that is why there is a call to cap that number.
Perhaps what Phtthp n mum_sugoku meant is there is a 'cap' but according to each school discretion while what Vicki propose is to reduce/limit of phase 2A intake? As we can see at balloting history that phase 2A intake for example at some bkt timah popular prm schools 2010 btw 27-36% of vacancies which is high enough leaving just abt 18-41% vacancies for the rest of the remaining phase.blessed777:
[quote=\"vicki\"]Dear phtthp n mum_sugoku,
I give up.
I believe we are on the wrong frequency. Here we all talking abt capping 2A so that more vacancies can be 'allocated' to the 2B n 2C n there u guys are talking abt Yes Yes there is a cap cos not all applicants who apply in 2A will get in if there are more applicants than vacancies available in 2A.
Do u see the diff?
Mine scenario: Cap to free up spaces for 2B n 2C.
Your scenario: Cap cos too many applicants in 2A. Too bad for 2B n 2C cos after 2A is 'capped' n balloted for - there are no more vacancies left for the later phases.
Pls do correct me otherwise if I'm wrong but pls don't quote me a '1977' MOE policy cos we had just had a 'healthy discussion' on a '1990 policy' or a 'school imposed alumni admission restriction (2a1) policy cos 'if cant join alumni then go via 2a2 old boys/ old girls lor'.
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mum_sugoku:
:shock: .....
Oh well.. Officially, there's a cap for all phases except phase 1.
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dorisp and Pen88n,
I get what all of you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.
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Pen88n:
However, going forward, with more and more alumni coming out from the branded schs, over the years, there will be more and more under phase 2A coming onboard and it may reduce the number of vacancies for 2B and 2C. I believe that is why there is a call to cap that number.
hmmmmmmmm....possibility of 2a applicants exceeding supply could be when the school reduces the no. of classes and no.. of intake.
also if 80% or more of the 2a applicants have twins or triplets. -
mum_sugoku:
You are most welcome......dorisp and Pen88n,
I get what all of you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.
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scotia:
Hi scotia, thanks for your feedback.
I myself also bought a flat within 1km of branded school! I m just an average SC and I think many like me do what it takes for our kids to get a better chance.
Dun underestimate what 'kiasu' parents will do just becos u r not like them.
I do not \"underestimate\" what some kiasu parent will do.
Good to hear that as an average SC you are not priced out of the market.
And proved that average SC can still move to within 1km of popular school. -
vicki:
Fairness is subjective I guess. And one should really understand the situation from inside better before lambasting the rule as being \"unfair\"Hi veratenza,
Actually I hve another grouse which I hope the govt can look into.
Because u went to CHS in secondary (I presume) n CHS is a 'full school', therefore u will be considered hvg priority cos u are also a alumni. This will mean u hve priority into 2 schools.
I don't find this 'fair'.
Why should some schools be considered as 'full school' n some schools don't?
U may argue that culture same etc or even that if a kid changes primar school (he would also hve 2 'alumni' schools to choose from.
To this I say;
1) Alot of other schools hve same culture but not considered as Full schools - why the diacrepancies?
2) Number of kids changing schools (per school) each year is not overly significant unlike 'Full Schools' with one whole cohort of students graduating each year for 'O' levels.
Do away with 'Full School' alumni (2A) connections I say....
To me it's fair because CHS Primary and Secondary are housed in the same compound, share the facilities and even canteen, the same school management committee and during my days, I remembered myself helping out in the primary school's sport's day, excursions and such. There are mentoring programs for the older secondary school students to help the younger primary section students.
It is one big family. :snuggles:
I'm not sure if your \"alot of other schools\" have the same level of linkage? Or they are simply sharing the same name, uniform maybe school anthem but in reality minding their own business on the running of the school?
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