MOE Relooking P1 registration - Too much priority to alumni

[LOLMum]

Pen88n:

However, going forward, with more and more alumni coming out from the branded schs, over the years, there will be more and more under phase 2A coming onboard and it may reduce the number of vacancies for 2B and 2C. I believe that is why there is a call to cap that number.

hmmmmmmmm....possibility of 2a applicants exceeding supply could be when the school reduces the no. of classes and no.. of intake.

also if 80% or more of the 2a applicants have twins or triplets.

[dorisp]

mum_sugoku:

dorisp and Pen88n,


I get what all of you mean now. Thanks for the clarification.

You are most welcome......

[limlim]

scotia:

I myself also bought a flat within 1km of branded school! I m just an average SC and I think many like me do what it takes for our kids to get a better chance.
Dun underestimate what 'kiasu' parents will do just becos u r not like them.

Hi scotia, thanks for your feedback.

I do not \"underestimate\" what some kiasu parent will do.

Good to hear that as an average SC you are not priced out of the market.

And proved that average SC can still move to within 1km of popular school.

[vratenza]

vicki:

Hi veratenza,


Actually I hve another grouse which I hope the govt can look into.

Because u went to CHS in secondary (I presume) n CHS is a 'full school', therefore u will be considered hvg priority cos u are also a alumni. This will mean u hve priority into 2 schools.

I don't find this 'fair'.

Why should some schools be considered as 'full school' n some schools don't?

U may argue that culture same etc or even that if a kid changes primar school (he would also hve 2 'alumni' schools to choose from.

To this I say;
1) Alot of other schools hve same culture but not considered as Full schools - why the diacrepancies?
2) Number of kids changing schools (per school) each year is not overly significant unlike 'Full Schools' with one whole cohort of students graduating each year for 'O' levels.

Do away with 'Full School' alumni (2A) connections I say....

Fairness is subjective I guess. And one should really understand the situation from inside better before lambasting the rule as being \"unfair\"

To me it's fair because CHS Primary and Secondary are housed in the same compound, share the facilities and even canteen, the same school management committee and during my days, I remembered myself helping out in the primary school's sport's day, excursions and such. There are mentoring programs for the older secondary school students to help the younger primary section students.
It is one big family. :snuggles:

I'm not sure if your \"alot of other schools\" have the same level of linkage? Or they are simply sharing the same name, uniform maybe school anthem but in reality minding their own business on the running of the school?

[vratenza]

limlim:

scotia:

I myself also bought a flat within 1km of branded school! I m just an average SC and I think many like me do what it takes for our kids to get a better chance.
Dun underestimate what 'kiasu' parents will do just becos u r not like them.

Hi scotia, thanks for your feedback.

I do not \"underestimate\" what some kiasu parent will do.

Good to hear that as an average SC you are not priced out of the market.

And proved that average SC can still move to within 1km of popular school.

I myself also bought a porsche 911! I m just an average SC


Hope you get my drift......

So...it does not prove anything yet....

[Joule]

gee, what kind of average SC is this?


by the way, my uncle and aunt sold off their flat within 1 km of Tao Nan as their kid just packed off and gonna fly overseas for further study

I’m still waiting for their ‘treat’

wonder if it’s 100, 200 or 300 profit?

[limlim]

vratenza:

wow..it took me quite a while to plough through all the pages of discussion.


[snipped]

From what I see, it's all personal agenda.

I'm surprised that after you have go thru every posts this is the conclusion that you get. or maybe my assumption was wrong.. you go thru the pages.. but, not all the posts.

vratenza:

That said, the system is transparent, the rules are fixed, play the game. If you are disadvantaged by the system, put in effort to correct it instead of shouting for change of rule to tip things in your favor midway through the game.

In the past, a child does not get SC unless the FATHER is SC and is legally married. Now, the child can get SC if EITHER the father or mother is SC.

Is it a necessary change? I guessed so.. bcoz the previous system is flawed. The environment changes.

If the system is flawed, tweak it.

Don't tell me govt policies never change throughout the years?

\"put in effort to correct it\".. that, I agree. That's the purpose of discussion.. to correct the flaws in the SYSTEM.

[Tokidoki]

vratenza:

vicki:

Hi veratenza,


Actually I hve another grouse which I hope the govt can look into.

Because u went to CHS in secondary (I presume) n CHS is a 'full school', therefore u will be considered hvg priority cos u are also a alumni. This will mean u hve priority into 2 schools.

I don't find this 'fair'.

Why should some schools be considered as 'full school' n some schools don't?

U may argue that culture same etc or even that if a kid changes primar school (he would also hve 2 'alumni' schools to choose from.

To this I say;
1) Alot of other schools hve same culture but not considered as Full schools - why the diacrepancies?
2) Number of kids changing schools (per school) each year is not overly significant unlike 'Full Schools' with one whole cohort of students graduating each year for 'O' levels.

Do away with 'Full School' alumni (2A) connections I say....

Fairness is subjective I guess. And one should really understand the situation from inside better before lambasting the rule as being \"unfair\"

To me it's fair because CHS Primary and Secondary are housed in the same compound, share the facilities and even canteen, the same school management committee and during my days, I remembered myself helping out in the primary school's sport's day, excursions and such. There are mentoring programs for the older secondary school students to help the younger primary section students.
It is one big family. :snuggles:

I'm not sure if your \"alot of other schools\" have the same level of linkage? Or they are simply sharing the same name, uniform maybe school anthem but in reality minding their own business on the running of the school?

Hi vratenza. Tks for sharing further insights on CHS. It is indeed one big family. Not many primary school and secondary school shares the same compound nowsaday. The biggest i guess will be St Andrews. From primary to JC!

[limlim]

mum_sugoku:

dorisp:

Just called MOE 2 minutes ago checking if there are any \"cap\" for P2A. The answer is \"NO\" as far as the current system goes.

It is possible for schools to have all Primary 1 places taken up by Phase 2A and nothing left for P2B and P2C.

Oh well.. Officially, there's a cap for all phases except phase 1.

http://moeuxwp03.moe.gov.sg/press/2004/pr20040611.htm[quote]Allocation of Places

12 Children will be allocated places in the school according to the order of priority spelt out in the Registration Scheme at Annex A . Balloting will be conducted should the number of applications exceed the number of vacancies from Phase 2A(1) to Phase 2C Supplementary.

[/quote]vacancies can meant total number of places for that year. (unless MOE states it is not)

You called this a cap..? ok.. enuff said.. I guess there is already sufficient examples and a well illustrated one given by dorisp.

[vratenza]

limlim:

vratenza:

wow..it took me quite a while to plough through all the pages of discussion.


[snipped]

From what I see, it's all personal agenda.

I'm surprised that after you have go thru every posts this is the conclusion that you get. or maybe my assumption was wrong.. you go thru the pages.. but, not all the posts.

vratenza:

That said, the system is transparent, the rules are fixed, play the game. If you are disadvantaged by the system, put in effort to correct it instead of shouting for change of rule to tip things in your favor midway through the game.

In the past, a child does not get SC unless the FATHER is SC and is legally married. Now, the child can get SC if EITHER the father or mother is SC.

Is it a necessary change? I guessed so.. bcoz the previous system is flawed. The environment changes.

If the system is flawed, tweak it.

Don't tell me govt policies never change throughout the years?

\"put in effort to correct it\".. that, I agree. That's the purpose of discussion.. to correct the flaws in the SYSTEM.

Sure, policies needs review every once in a while to keep them current. There are loads of changes in govt policies through the years be it transport, properties, health etc. All the changes are to reflect the benefit of the greater good because you cannot cater to just the minority voice.

Every change in policy means a potential loss or gain in vote for the MIW in the next election. So guess which side of (majority/minority) will the MIW favour?

Drawing from the above argument, the most current policy tweak will reflect majority interest aye?

Therefore, latest round of tweak to the P1 registration system seem to suggest alumni priority is still what majority wants.

I respect your opinion and desire for proximity priority system. I stand to benefit either way. So nothing personal as with all my forum postings.

btw,
\"put in effort to correct it\" means to improve your own chances either by working hard to afford the obscene premiumed homes around your desired school, put in extra sacrifice to do PV work, put in extra sacrifice to do GRL work.

OR

simply just move to a cheaper home within 1km from an unpopular school.