Singapore for Singaporeans?

[ChiefKiasu]

buds:

Bbbb.... bbbbuuuuttt... it's not proper Ingrish leh.

Think of it as \"wink-wink\" code that only Singaporeans understand. There was once when a group of us Singaporean students were eating in the cafeteria back in college when we noticed this American staring at us with great interest. Soon he asked. \"That's Chinese isn't it?\" We sniggered. We were just talking in Singlish then.

[Fairy]

onemore:

nationalistic spirit..yes…, and perhaps the term being local or Singaporean could be better defined in this context…
Singaporean = (Singaporean PRs + Singapore Citizens)?
OR
Singaporean = > Singapore Citizens only?


So, can we really blame anyone but ourselves if we have to hire foreign talents to do what we think we ourselves cannot do?
That is not the only reasons; ironically, the other reason is actually nationalistic spirit - in many cases, FTs (real or fake, regardless) are hired by Singaporean PRs from the same country of origin, who are department heads or in a hiring manager’s position.

Yes, this is the exact situation in one organisation i know of. Singaporeans are the minority in this locally listed company. The management staff are mainly Singapore PR from a certain country, same as the original founders of the company. Almost all the white collar staff, from non-executives to senior executives are from the same country, some PR, some not. Wonder if such discriminitive recruitment is legal in Singapore. This is not some small cap co.

[Oppsgal]

Fairy:

onemore:

nationalistic spirit..yes…, and perhaps the term being local or Singaporean could be better defined in this context…
Singaporean = (Singaporean PRs + Singapore Citizens)?
OR
Singaporean = > Singapore Citizens only?


So, can we really blame anyone but ourselves if we have to hire foreign talents to do what we think we ourselves cannot do?
That is not the only reasons; ironically, the other reason is actually nationalistic spirit - in many cases, FTs (real or fake, regardless) are hired by Singaporean PRs from the same country of origin, who are department heads or in a hiring manager’s position.

Yes, this is the exact situation in one organisation i know of. Singaporeans are the minority in this locally listed company. The management staff are mainly Singapore PR from a certain country, same as the original founders of the company. Almost all the white collar staff, from non-executives to senior executives are from the same country, some PR, some not. Wonder if such discriminitive recruitment is legal in Singapore. This is not some small cap co.

If really got discrimination during recruitment, what can one do? :roll:

[Way2GO]

buds:

Bbbb.... bbbbuuuuttt... it's not proper Ingrish leh.

I cannot emphasize enuf it is vital to speak gud Engalish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsmtzERXg9k&sns=fb

[DesertWind]

It is discouraging enough when our local entrepreneurs sell out to overseas investors. Greatly disappointed. First heard of Cherie Hearts selling to an Australian group and got some trouble with them after that. Then PSH and LV selling to a U.S group. Although actually I should mind my own business and not other people’s. Certainly if any of these owners come and tell me off I can understand. It is their business, blood and sweat after all. What right do I have to comment?


What I am saying is "Singapore for Singaporeans"? Do some of us actually want it? Can’t seem to import FT and sell out to foreign investors for quick bucks. But to be fair, perhaps they truly sell out in order to have the financial muscle and professional support.

So my question is, like what Chief here said, wherefore is the support from our good garmen?

[jenao]

Read a good article today in ST by Tommy Koh -BY INVITATION

What Singapore can learn from Europe
Four Nordic nations do better in birth rates, equality, heritage and the environment.

The govt should definitely look to these country to learn more about having inclusive society, better birth rates etc.

http://www.straitstimes.com/SaturdaySpecialReport/Story/STIStory_800400.html

[ChiefKiasu]

jenao:

Read a good article today in ST by Tommy Koh -BY INVITATION

What Singapore can learn from Europe
Four Nordic nations do better in birth rates, equality, heritage and the environment.

The govt should definitely look to these country to learn more about having inclusive society, better birth rates etc.

http://www.straitstimes.com/SaturdaySpecialReport/Story/STIStory_800400.html

Actually, the term \"inclusive\" is simply a rehash of the cornerstone of our society - \"multi-racial\". We have lived by that word for the first 3 decades of our existence. It was something that I was extremely proud of when describing our achievements to my foreign friends, who simply couldn't believe that so many different races can live together in harmony on such a small island. But I have not heard of that word \"multi-racial\" being mentioned for a long time now. What I constantly hear is that we need more people to sustain our growth rates. So the floodgates were opened with little effort spent on thinking about how to integrate our new members into our society. That is the crux of the matter. We have been so focused on the math that we forgot about the people aspects.

[ChiefKiasu]

Way2GO:

buds:

Bbbb.... bbbbuuuuttt... it's not proper Ingrish leh.

I cannot emphasize enuf it is vital to speak gud Engalish.

Hey Way2GO, sure you can't find some coke for the poor lady?

[Way2GO]

Yeah, give d lady some coke. :rotflmao:

Its more hilarious if u don't watch d video,
but just listen to it.

[Imami]

verykiasu2010:

3Boys:

[quote=\"resgmom\"]Why are we depriving our Singaporean students precious places in the best schools, which are funded by tax-payers? Are the tax-payers paying for these scholarships, or is this funded by private donors? Is the govt tracking the economic benefits of giving out scholarships to these foreign students?

If we do not take top students from around the world to our schools, how do we keep our schools at the top?
Yeah, Singaporeans only, top in Singapore, but 2nd rate world wide, what's the point?
It seems very short-sighted to me. Don't you want our top students to be competing against the best in the world? Sharing and learning?

to add on :

I hope my kids will be their classmates.

if they stay in SG, good for SG talent pool even if my kids were to \"lose\" to them in competition

if they go back to their home countries, there will be opportunities in future for my kids to call on them through work etc etc be it in gov't or in private sector ... immediately the alumni network kicks in and you are one up on your other competitors without such network

if my kids are in gov't service and those scholars returned to their countries also in gov't service, it will help to open doors and ease communication and diplomatic relationship between countries (read Obama and Netanyahu)

Singapore is not just red dot, it is a tiny dot. We need all the friends in and out of singapore. Better if they have been classmates and chit-chatted nonsense under the stars in bishan or bukit timah or jurong hill or tanjong rhu etc etc[/quote]Me also hope tat... at least hope my kids can be motivated by their attitude of study hard[/quote]

Indeed... My child is only 4. But even in his little world (come on, he doesn't understand much of the news/newspapers/current affairs and his social circle is retracted to his pals in cc/enrichment schools), but he is benefiting from the FT. His mandarin is crispy sharp (even for a 4yr old), peppers his conversation with cheng yu he has learnt from his Chinese (from china) teachers and Chinese (from china) friends. If there is only local influence, I think my child is more kang dang (potato) than he is now.but having said this, I don't want too much of ******* into our little island. I may be biased, but I believe my child picks this up from them - squats along the road side with his elbows resting on his knee caps :slapshead: The good thing is he only does it once because mummy forbids him to squat around anymore...

If I may put it this way - I like FT the way I like pepper in my food, a bit will do. If the 'side effect' (like squatting) is minimal and I like the enhancement it can bring (e.g. Better command of Chinese language), then I will like it like the sugar in my coffee (kopi c kar dai). But I don't feel comfortable to have FT to be as common as signs (road signs, exit signs, no smoking signs) in our shore - too overwhelming....