Alex Ong, 25, pushes elderly lady off the bus

[Ichigokun]

phtthp:

verykiasu2010:

now I think I am autistic because I can't stand noise

autistic or not, a lot of us also can't stand noise.
esp. when those horrible non stop drilling sound goes on and on.
example:-

i) during lift upgrading, construction workers use that drilling machine to hack up the floor, to make way for the new lift.

ii) during house renovation, people hammer nail into wall, or use drilling machine to hack up floor tiles.

iii) piling of construction work going on at MRT site, to dig a hole deep into the tunnel for MRT train, etc.

Yes, agree that people need to be sympathetic towards autistic kids. Because they did not choose to be born this way.

We can't stand the noise, we usually get headaches or something but usually we just leave the place or try to ignore it.

How could an autistic person push an old granny like that just because he doesn't like the noise.

Old people have fragile bones, their immunity system is weak and their psychological thinking is more fragile and it is easy to scare them.

Alex Ong might have psychological problems himself but now he scared the old granny by pushing her too.

It's quite easy to scare old people. Sometimes just a simple push can give them something to worry about for a few days or even weeks.

[Ichigokun]

pinkblue:

Old and cranky still alright but some old ppl do have poisonous mouth.

In the past old people have suffered alot ma... They must find a way to relieve stress, don't blame them if they are a bit cranky or have a poisonous mouth. Their days left are limited. Just let them do what they want.

[Ichigokun]

phtthp:

whatever it is - even if he's truly autistic,

still must educate him that it is wrong to push elderly folks.

Old folks' bones are brittle.
There is high risk that when elderly fall down that flight of steps from the bus, it may cause injury like :-
- they can't walk up straight in future because their spine / leg may be injured,
- or worse cause elderly to be wheel chair bound for life, after that fall.
Then who's going to look after them, sitting on wheel chair for the rest of their live ?

consider different scenario :-

a) what if the victim is our own mother - being pushed down the bus like that, end up hospitalized due to the fall & subsequently unable to walk upright properly, but with a curved spine ?

b) what if the victim is his own mother - being pushed down by another bully who repeated exactly the same action as what he did ?

c) what if the victim is we ourselves one day, when we grow old, frail, our bones density decrease due to aging & our hair turn white / grey ?

No matter what happen, the Truth is:-
it is still WRONG to push old people down the bus.

The consequences are dangerous & disastrous, should anything go wrong.
Be it happening to someone else mother, to our own mother, or to his mother, or even to ourselves one day when we grow old. All of us will grow old eventually.

I agree. Our backbone might be protecting our spine but once it fractures or breaks, your spine WILL be affected.

Our spine is vital for our daily necessities such as walking etc.

If the old lady were to injure her spine when her back hit the ground, she might become paralyzed for life permanently.

I read the Chinese Newspaper the other day. A lawyer read the story and said that IF THE OLD LADY sued Alex Ong, he could be fined or jailed up to two years for attempted assault.

[Ichigokun]

For more details on autism, refer to this thread: http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=935

[Lavina]

ImMeeMee:

All that is asked of our community is to be kind towards this group of people whose actions sometimes could be beyond them.

Same request from me.

At that agitated moment, he may have forgotten all the social behaviour he had been taught and may even temporily see the old lady as an object he wanted to remove.

Hope we can all forgive him and let him learn from his mistake and move on.

[iRabbit]

aurorin:

Perhaps I can share some info on ASD...

As ASD covers a spectrum, there are those who are mildly affected as well as those who are more severe. Often ASD presents co-morbidly with some form of intellectual disability but not all individuals with ASD are intellectually challenged. There are very high functioning individuals with average or above average, even superior IQ, and have less impaired receptive and expressive language skills. A term associated to this form of ASD is Aspergers syndrome but some will argue that we shouldn't put Aspergers under the autism umbrella. Another form of ASD which gets a lot of media attention are the autistic savants, individuals highly impaired by their Autism but have remarkable splinter skills in particular areas (e.g. Drawing, music, numbers, computing etc)...

Purely because ASD is such a broad spectrum, and intellectual impairment has many different degrees, when u combine the two, there is a myriad of presentations for people who are diagnosed with Autism. It makes diagnosis and intervention more complex and require expertise and experience to do that... That said, we do understand Autism in terms of certain traits and characteristics and their unique learning style to develop fairly successful intervention programs across the spectrum which needs to be individualized. In the field, the metaphor for Autism is being akin to a form of \"culture\" that requires understanding rather than seeing is as an \"illness\"....

Hope that provide more info for those who are interested...

Thanks auroin. Quite cheem. But I think I roughly get what you mean.

[zadrian]

Lavina:

ImMeeMee:

All that is asked of our community is to be kind towards this group of people whose actions sometimes could be beyond them.

Same request from me.

At that agitated moment, he may have forgotten all the social behaviour he had been taught and may even temporily see the old lady as an object he wanted to remove.

Hope we can all forgive him and let him learn from his mistake and move on.

I do take a \"Nazi\" look at people like this.....they are neither normal nor sick, at least what they admit to be before things happen.
Sadly IMHO, they should not be allowed freedom without guidance. May times prevent is better than being victimized.

How can a person be normal enough to enjoy freedom and be threat to society yet be sick when they are performing acts of destruction ?

Did he feel sorry or did he needed someone to tell him to \"feel\" sorry ?

[Pen88n]

Much as I sympathise with Alex's condition, I can't help feeling that he still need to be monitored, esp. since he has a tendency toward impulsive act.


Just want to share an incident of such \"violence\". When DD was young (about 4 years old), she was playing in a clinic and there was an autistic teenage girl sitting next to us. I scolded DD for being \"naughty\" as she was climbing and running around the place. The next thing I knew the girl took an umbrella and hit my DD on her head :yikes: . Her explanation was \"naughty must beat\" :scared: and DD burst out crying. As a mum, I was really in shock and yet not know how to react as I knew she was autistic and not her fault. However, her caregiver wasn't even around to stop her and my DD ended up a victim :mad: . We actually ended up moving away instead of confronting her and her caregiver came back later to bring her away. DD suffered with a bruise on her forehead for a few days

After that incident, I am more wary when I see people who acted strangly or have special needs and would keep my distance. Not that I have anything against them, but I really do not want me or my family to become an unnecessary victim.

[zadrian]

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Crime/Story/A1Story20120620-354171.html


Mentally unstable man bludgeons uncle to death, crushes aunt with TV.....
Wats the diff ? Just another time bomb.....

[phtthp]

zadrian:

Wats the diff ? Just another time bomb.....

maybe this man has mental problem.

But autistic is NOT mental. They are different. Pls don't get confused.
can any medical health authority professional kindly help clarify this fact ? TIA.