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    Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition

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    • phtthpP Offline
      phtthp
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      Sim TT:
      Only those really passionate and those who cannot make it outside will stay on. Overall standard of teachers dropping.

      high time to revamp MOE, revamp the standard of teaching in primary schools !
      Something has gone wrong, if teachers allowed to moonlight.

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        SAHM_TAN
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        How to judge that the std of teachers have dropped?

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          janet88
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          MOE knows teachers are giving tuition. But with long hours in school, it knows there is a limit teachers can do. If people go straight into teaching line, the pay increment and promotion is fast. But don't attempt a career switch.


          Professional tutors can command students' attention bcos kids know why they have tuition. My son listens to his tutors bcos they know his weaknesses...it's not that he doesn't listen in class.
          Just yest, he told me teacher completed a science topic after 2 lessons !!! :faint: The tutor is still teaching the same topic bcos it is tough...mind you, it is p6. Even a P3 science topic requires several lessons, diversity for eg.

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            sandunes
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            jtoh:
            Starting salaries for degree-holder trainee teachers:


            Qualifications \tGross Starting Salary
            Pass Degree \t$2,770
            Pass with Merit $2,900
            Honours \t$3,100 to $3,250
            The starting pay looks fine but what abt the increment? Do we know if it rewards good teachers who have stayed on? I hope so.

            My friend wanted to make a mid career switch to teaching but had to suffer a pay cut of 50% if she were to take up the offer for pri/sec level. In the end, for financial reasons, she has to opt to teach at tertiary level.

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              autumnbronze
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              I beg to differ please.


              Pay increment and promotion is not fast at all, especially if you are NOT a scholar or good honors holder.

              Even the starting pay for pass, merit and honors degree holders differ.

              The teaching profession is fraught with the similar if not same politics as you would expect from the private sector. It may be even worse.

              So if you are surrounded with superiors with no integrity, then it’s pretty easy to work your way up. You just need to press the right buttons.

              I reckon that’s one of the reasons WHY the passionate ones get disillusioned fast and abandon ship. Precisely because their efforts are, most of the time, not recognized at all.

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                limlim
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                autumnbronze:
                I beg to differ please.


                Pay increment and promotion is not fast at all, especially if you are NOT a scholar or good honors holder.
                According to recruitment firms.. some figures..

                Engineer, honors degree, starting pay, $2400 ~ $2800.

                average Increment 2~4%

                compare to teachers.. teachers' increment and promotion not fast..?

                And now PMETs suffering fierce competitions and wage suppression from cheaper FTs..

                At least for civil service, males get a little extra after serving NS.. private companies.. no way!

                Take a walk around the manufacturing, engineering jobs.. and look at the harsh realities outside..

                But then, those looking for fast bucks should consider financial sector rather then teaching.. for those looking at down-to-earth jobs.. teaching is much more financially rewarding than engineering.

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                  limlim
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                  phtthp:
                  Sim TT:

                  Only those really passionate and those who cannot make it outside will stay on. Overall standard of teachers dropping.


                  Something has gone wrong, if teachers allowed to moonlight.

                  if NIE trained teachers or current school teacher can command $100/hr, who still got heart to teach in schools?

                  http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=33270

                  not surprising if standard of teachings dropping at schools..

                  in many industries, employees are not allowed to work for competitors after a certain period after resignation.. MOE not only doesn't have that, but they even allow teachers to moonlight!

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                    limlim
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                    SAHM_TAN:
                    How to judge that the std of teachers have dropped?

                    when the percentage of students having tuition increases.. (not 100% on teachers only, but relative mis-match between tested and taught.. MOE share part of the liability as they set the papers)

                    when you see more news of hidden cameras is school toilets..

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                      SAHM_TAN
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                      I don’t view tuition/enrichment centres as competitors to MOE. Parents send their kids to tuition centre for a variety of reasons. Some parents have a choice.

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                        limlim
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                        it’s like saying food court is not competitor to hawker centers…

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