Real reason behind Singapore’s obsession with tuition

[fightingmom]

buds:

fightingmom:

[quote=\"verykiasu2010\"]
welcome to explore our singapore system ...... our england all returned to england alredi and now we practise singlish ....

Aiyo VK2010, optimistforum may catch no ball what you mean by singlish since he is a foreigner... May I have the honor to give you some examples :

Our Singlish. What it mean
Can lah. - Yes
Can leh. - Yes. of course
Can lor. - Yes, I think so.
Can hah ? - Are you sure?
Can hor ? - Are you sure then.
Can meh ? - Can or not?
Can can. - Confirm.
Can gua. - Maybe.
Can liao. - Already can / Done
Can wor. - Yea.
Can liao la. - ok, enough.

Ok can liao la... better :siam: fast before moderator catch me for :offtopic:

Fightingmom, you may need to quickly include a new one to your growing Singlish dictionary.. after this. :yikes:

> http://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?p=780900#p780900

for f*** = for what/what for

........... before others really think it is intended to really get what *f* is for!

:offtopic:[/quote] :faint:

[Chenonceau]

Kissgurami:

Within an organization, it is already tough to ensure you have consistency in caliber and mindset which is why as leaders or bosses, EQ and various sessions are conducted to adapt to each individual or leadership style. I can see an uphill task to ensure the consistency for 185 primary schools which means ruling with an iron hand where only the 1 place (MOE) sets and plans everything, people just follow and do.

Thanks for your nicely balanced post...

I think though... that ruling with an iron hand is not the only way to get product/service consistency... just like motivation can go way beyond bribes or threats (or pay and promotion). There are other strategies. But as long as people perceive that consistency = iron hand then they will not search for these other strategies... and nothing will improve.

[limlim]

verykiasu2010:

limlim:

[quote=\"Chenonceau\"]

That's just it! We should stop blaming the Teachers. Good organisations get good performance out of average and poor performers. They don't just point the finger at Teachers and say \"They're incompetent\" and at parents and say \"They're kiasu\".

I blame MOE for defective policies.

even for burger king and macdonald, not all burgers or fries are exactly the same from store to store even though within the chain they share the same manual and procedures....what more a school[/quote]If the BK and Mac does not control the meat source and allow outlets to choose freely, these will certainly have a significant impact on the quality of the burgers and is deemed a defective policy that is under the jurisdiction of the HQ management right?

And, my comment is largely targeted at a specific area, where MOE did not disallow moonlight by its teachers. This is so wrong, IMO. It has nothing to with individual outlets but rather the rules set by HQ that could have an impact of the quality downstream.

[limlim]

autumnbronze:

limlim:

point of contention is MOE's policy.. they did not disallow moonlighting..

Ohhhh, am not aware of this. Any leads that confirm this??

Some members mentioned it in the thread. Heard from my friends who are teachers too.

[limlim]

puff:

limlim:

IF being a teacher is so TOUGH like some of the pple here say.. how can they ever afford the extra energy to moonlight? doesn't makes sense to me..

I got a teacher friend who start work at 6am and most days finish at 6pm or later.... That is 12 hrs of work everyday. To me that seems tough.

yup. agree. hence, disallowing teachers to moonlight would not have -ve impact on someone like her, a committed and delicate teacher (assumed).

And I also feel that, assuming there is reliable way to check, teacher with least number of students who does not attend enrichment classes should be rewarded somehow. % of students having tuition should be a KPI. High % implies failure. Teachers should discourage students from having enrichment classes.

[limlim]

On one hand, pple say that teaching is tough work.


On the other hand, they seems to suggest that the option to moonlight should not be taken away from them.

Contradicting indeed…

And still failed to address the issue of potential conflict of interest that is detrimental to the well being of the school classes.

[Lilac66]

limlim:

puff:

[quote=\"limlim\"]
IF being a teacher is so TOUGH like some of the pple here say.. how can they ever afford the extra energy to moonlight? doesn't makes sense to me..

And I also feel that, assuming there is reliable way to check, teacher with least number of students who does not attend enrichment classes should be rewarded somehow. % of students having tuition should be a KPI. High % implies failure. Teachers should discourage students from having enrichment classes.

[/quote]

Agree whole-heartedly with this pt. I always wonder how those elite schools will perform if the school bans tuition .Then we'll be able to tell if these schools have exceptional teachers with exceptional methodology or do these schools just have an exceptionally high percentage of students attending tuition and enrichment.
Will this ever become a reality in our lifetime?

[Lilac66]

duplicate

[J and J]

verykiasu2010:

cherryc:

I was told some teachers from good schools like nanyang pri go home earlier and happily. So maybe the school environment does breed good nurturing teachers and better students. And maybe the teachers have more time to prepare materials, all maybe after all, the kids are just rich enough to attend the elitist tuitions or have well-educated parents to teach them.

reminders : not all kids from NYPS are from wealthy background. many many of them are from humble background

I dare say NYPS has very good system and processes in place, there are master teachers, experienced and capable subject head, level head / driver, etc and I personally know some of the teachers were invited to share best practices at conferences.

They also have the follow through approach from pri 5 to 6, and fellow teachers do corroborate and share info

However, even if this were to be replicated in other schools, the devil is in the details. And how many principals will follow exactly the same approach ? same system ? same motivation ? ability to motivate and implement ?

Agreed.

[Lilac66]

verykiasu2010:

cherryc:

I was told some teachers from good schools like nanyang pri go home earlier and happily. So maybe the school environment does breed good nurturing teachers and better students. And maybe the teachers have more time to prepare materials, all maybe after all, the kids are just rich enough to attend the elitist tuitions or have well-educated parents to teach them.

reminders : not all kids from NYPS are from wealthy background. many many of them are from humble background

I dare say NYPS has very good system and processes in place, there are master teachers, experienced and capable subject head, level head / driver, etc and I personally know some of the teachers were invited to share best practices at conferences.

They also have the follow through approach from pri 5 to 6, and fellow teachers do corroborate and share info

However, even if this were to be replicated in other schools, the devil is in the details. And how many principals will follow exactly the same approach ? same system ? same motivation ? ability to motivate and implement ?

If this is really the case, we really cannot fault parents who want to get into such schools by hook or by crook.
Can we then conclude that well-known schools ARE indeed equipped with better teachers and resources?