City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[Dreamaurora]

jasmineong:

MMM:

[quote=\"phtthp\"]Ming Yi \"swallow\" peanuts, compared to Kong Hee involved in (earlier 23 + another 26) = Total $49 million ! :gloomy:

His case was more like a governance issue rather than desire to siphone $$$

The money in this case went mainly to finance the crossover project, yes they may have spent some on their own expenses but it was mainly to bring the gospel to the unchurched in the entertainment world. I am not from their church, but I believe in what they were trying to do. Just maybe should have been more careful about governance.[/quote]Well, look at her latest MTVs posted in this thread. If you could tell from the videos that she is portraying a good image of what a Christian should be, then yes I would agree with you.

[N.029275Lo]

I think we can all agree to disagree. This is my own experience, others may have different experiences, and feel differently but it is not as simple as just giving me $5 etc etc…and I realize on many forums, most people are quick to jump in to criticise and anyone who stands for those criticised will get criticised as well. Well, all I can say is I just want to add to this discussion as I have personally benefitted from Pastor Kong and his church. Not going to add anymore because I know everyone has their own opinions.

[osim]

Way2GO:

osim:

Which verse and book in the Old Testament talks about tithing. I am curious and want to read more about it.

There r a few, but I think d relevant verse u seek is Leviticus 27:30-34:
Quote \"30 And qall the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the Lord. 31 If a man wants at all to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add one-fifth to it. 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever spasses under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord. 33 He shall not inquire whether it is good or bad, tnor shall he exchange it; and if he exchanges it at all, then both it and the one exchanged for it shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.’ ”
34 These are the commandments which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel on Mount Sinai.\"

If it is a Commandment from God, then even if they say optional to give, you still feel like you are disobeying God if you don't. Hidden pressure

[php]

tankee:

N.Lo:

I was from CHC. I left about a year ago because my wife wanted us to be in the same church. Until now, my leader in CHC keeps in contact with me. They do not treat us like outcast because we have left. I would say that the people in CHC are not blind followers of Pastor Kong. We have seen how much he and his wife has impacted lives, and how the cross over project has built orphanages and done a lot of good.


I myself benefitted a lot from his teachings. Sometimes, we are quick to judge and 'celebrate' the bad news but nobody wants to hear all the good that is done and remember. Even if people say I am stupid to believe in him and to stand for him if he is guilty, I will do that. I cannot forget all the good that this couple has done.

So if I collect $10 donation from you the name of helping the needy, pocket $5 and use the remaining $5 to help the needy then I am doing good in your view? And you will stand by me? :scratchhead:

:goodpost:

[Way2GO]

Dreamaurora:

I do not agree with you. I was from CHC and a ML there (equivalent of CGL)long time ago and has witnessed many good things there done by the ministries and also Kong Hee and Sun Ho. But one particular incident triggered a strong questioning on my part and made me leave the church (yes, it's related to Sun Ho's first CD launch).

Now don't get me wrong, I do not hate Kong Hee and people from CHC. As a Christian, we are supposed to love all our brethren. But that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to sin. If let's say my son beat up another child, I will not defend him and insist on him to make apology to the other child. Beside that particular incident, remember the plagiarising incident? Did Kong Hee apologise? He even tried to bluff his way out of it. He has showed repeated unrepentance. He could have set a good example as a good shepherd and ask for forgiveness, which I am sure everyone will be fine with. But yet, despite this, many people in CHC still believe in him despite this. This is what saddens me. Love your leaders and pastors, but acknowledge their mistakes and shortcomings and stand up for their wrongdoings.

His exalted position n unquestioned influence over d flock has gotten to his head.

[Dreamaurora]

N.Lo:

I think we can all agree to disagree. This is my own experience, others may have different experiences, and feel differently but it is not as simple as just giving me $5 etc etc..and I realize on many forums, most people are quick to jump in to criticise and anyone who stands for those criticised will get criticised as well. Well, all I can say is I just want to add to this discussion as I have personally benefitted from Pastor Kong and his church. Not going to add anymore because I know everyone has their own opinions.

I am not criticising you, just raising some points for you to think of as they may be issues that you may encounter further down in your Christian walk i.e. standing up for sin even if it's commited by your loved ones. If you strongly feel that Kong Hee has done nothing wrong, then that is your right and I cannot force you to think otherwise.

[Dreamaurora]

Way2GO:

Dreamaurora:

I do not agree with you. I was from CHC and a ML there (equivalent of CGL)long time ago and has witnessed many good things there done by the ministries and also Kong Hee and Sun Ho. But one particular incident triggered a strong questioning on my part and made me leave the church (yes, it's related to Sun Ho's first CD launch).

Now don't get me wrong, I do not hate Kong Hee and people from CHC. As a Christian, we are supposed to love all our brethren. But that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to sin. If let's say my son beat up another child, I will not defend him and insist on him to make apology to the other child. Beside that particular incident, remember the plagiarising incident? Did Kong Hee apologise? He even tried to bluff his way out of it. He has showed repeated unrepentance. He could have set a good example as a good shepherd and ask for forgiveness, which I am sure everyone will be fine with. But yet, despite this, many people in CHC still believe in him despite this. This is what saddens me. Love your leaders and pastors, but acknowledge their mistakes and shortcomings and stand up for their wrongdoings.

His exalted position n unquestioned influence over d flock has gotten to his head.

Haha, I was discussing with my church friends when that plagiarising incident happened. If a pastor from a denomination church does that, he would have been sacked the next day.

[Way2GO]

osim:

If it is a Commandment from God, then even if they say optional to give, you still feel like you are disobeying God if you don't. Hidden pressure

Dat verse was fr d Old Testament which I think was d origin of d 10% asked for.
It was obligatory at dat time, like a tax.
After Christ's salvation, dis obligation was removed n made voluntary (d term used is giving in grace) in d New Testament.
But u know lah, ppl will interpret d bible to suit their purpose.

[kwcllf]

Way2GO:

Dreamaurora:

I do not agree with you. I was from CHC and a ML there (equivalent of CGL)long time ago and has witnessed many good things there done by the ministries and also Kong Hee and Sun Ho. But one particular incident triggered a strong questioning on my part and made me leave the church (yes, it's related to Sun Ho's first CD launch).

Now don't get me wrong, I do not hate Kong Hee and people from CHC. As a Christian, we are supposed to love all our brethren. But that does not mean we should turn a blind eye to sin. If let's say my son beat up another child, I will not defend him and insist on him to make apology to the other child. Beside that particular incident, remember the plagiarising incident? Did Kong Hee apologise? He even tried to bluff his way out of it. He has showed repeated unrepentance. He could have set a good example as a good shepherd and ask for forgiveness, which I am sure everyone will be fine with. But yet, despite this, many people in CHC still believe in him despite this. This is what saddens me. Love your leaders and pastors, but acknowledge their mistakes and shortcomings and stand up for their wrongdoings.

His exalted position n unquestioned influence over d flock has gotten to his head.

Seems more like a cult figure!

[Way2GO]

Dreamaurora:

Haha, I was discussing with my church friends when that plagiarising incident happened. If a pastor from a denomination church does that, he would have been sacked the next day.

How to sack d founder if d sheep start to or already believes dat KH is CHC?