City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged
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Way2GO:
do u think in d light of recent developments,
Christopher Pang is just an EM, if there is going to be a new head of the church, it will be Aries Zulkarnain first.Dreamaurora:
[quote=\"WeiHan\"]
I think this Christopher Pang is an opportunist. He knows well that the 5 will be convicted and go to jail so he is trying to act like hero and establish himself as the new head of the church.
Christopher Pang will pursue d matter with MYCS?[/quote]Hard to say, they after all are still going to let Kong Hee and Tan Ye Peng preach. IMO, that is like an open display of denial and defiance. So I will not be surprised if Christopher Pang pursues the matter. -
cel-tang:
butI do thinkthey will get uncomfortable if any religious group seems too big.
what is the lastest church membership size for City Harvest Independent church now ?
how about New Creation Independent church ?
which church bigger, occupy #1 spot now?
NC or CH ? -
cel-tang:
ur view on msm is shared by many who r better informed, more widely read.
Not too sure but he did raise some interesting points. I do not think the govt is anti any religion but I do think they will get uncomfortable if any religious group seems too big. And unlike other countries, where different newspapers report the news from different viewpoints, in Singapore we only have one main newspaper and it seems to report things from a certain point of view to drive home certain points.
That is what I am not too comfortable with.
So for now, I am reading through what is written outside of the newspapers as well to try to get a more balanced viewpoint.
when LKY was in d opposition, he argued against d press being used as a tool to influence d general public;
one of d first thing he did when PAP came into power was to take control over d press.
Dat is to be expected. Any party in power wld try to influence/control msm.
It did crossed my mind whether KH has built a cult personality n CHC has grown too big for his own good.
It seems to be dat way, d cult culture, fr d way many of his followers hv responded to dis crisis. Just my viewpoint. Or perhaps they r just showing solidarity behind their founder.
On d main thrust of Mohd's article, if true, then d latest press release fr CHC wld add credence to it.
Thus my question in my earlier posts, \"wat audience r d leaders playing too?\"
They r playing with fire, its a high stake dangerous game, n they cannot win against dis govt.
Archbishop Gregory Yong came out to support d 'Marxists' when it was brought out into d open.
d Catholics numbers r much larger than CHC's 33,000.
He buckled under pressure. -
June 28 2012
Ex-finance chief of City Harvest in spotlight
http://www.straitstimes.com/The-Big-Story/The-Big-Story-1/Story/STIStory_815924.html
SINGAPORE:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1210232/1/.html
The Christian community is united in disapproving any misuse of public institutional funds, the National Council of Churches Singapore (NCCS) said, in response to the case involving five City Harvest Church members.
This includes money raised by or given to churches, NCCS president Lutheran Bishop Terry Kee said.
He added that dishonesty in financial matters is clearly contrary to the teaching of the church.
However, he noted that as the matter is before the courts, it was important to avoid speculation or pre-judgement, and that the legal process should be allowed to take its course.
The bishop said the council appreciates the clarification by Deputy Prime Minister and Home Affairs Minister Teo Chee Hean that the charges are filed against the five individuals, and not City Harvest Church itself.
Bishop Kee also hoped that Singaporeans would not react against the church or churches in Singapore. -
cel-tang:
Not taking away wat gud they hv done with CHC n Crossover,I am not a christian but I find that what the media is reporting is one-sided. No mention of the good they have done. True, the good they do does not make them right but this is not a case of taking money for their personal gain but more for advancing their project to do good works. Singing maybe one way Sun took to try to do that.
why then d elaborate scheme to conceal d movement of money to fund SH's expenditures in US if everything is lily white?
Looking at d videos (d ones posted in dis forum), u seriously believe it will reach out to those who otherwise will not be touched by Christianity, n moved them to join? in US? -
Dreamaurora:
I really feel very strongly about this too. Very few role models for our young too and the irony is that the entertainment industry is the one whereby they'll look for someone to emulate.
But at least Carrie seems to be doing quite well and still manage to maintain her wholesome image. Hopefully she can keep it up, we need more good honest Christians in the entertainment world.buds:
I never knew Carrie was one too.
Only know of the Charlotte Church girl. -
BeContented:
Both Durai and Ming Yi continued to have some supporters after bring found guilty.If Kong is really guilty and his supporters still blindly support and think he should be freed and not be punished because of the good deeds he had done.....
Wonder what were their thoughts during the time when TT Durai and the Ming Yi were found to be guilty? Same standard applied? -
cel-tang:
That's because this trial is not about who they are, but about the crimes they committed. Their good deeds will come in later as mitigation if found and proven guilty.I am not a christian but I find that what the media is reporting is one-sided. No mention of the good they have done. True, the good they do does not make them right but this is not a case of taking money for their personal gain but more for advancing their project to do good works. Singing maybe one way Sun took to try to do that.
Just talked to a colleague who is from another church, Cornerstone, who shared how Pastor Kong has impacted christianity in singapore. I was surprised that they have done so much but the only reports that come out are all negative. And most people take great pleasure in seeing them fall.
An interesting article I saw on facebook written by a muslim. Food for thought.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mohammad-nizam-abdul-kadir/city-harvest-church-the-views-of-a-muslim-singaporean-remember-operation-spectru/359495054082723
If the $50m in question was indeed used for the truth intent of crossover project, then why do they need to do so much transferring to hide the trail? -
cel-tang:
Of course has to do some good work lah! If not, how to convince people to part away so much of their money.I am not a christian but I find that what the media is reporting is one-sided. No mention of the good they have done. True, the good they do does not make them right but this is not a case of taking money for their personal gain but more for advancing their project to do good works. Singing maybe one way Sun took to try to do that.
Just talked to a colleague who is from another church, Cornerstone, who shared how Pastor Kong has impacted christianity in singapore. I was surprised that they have done so much but the only reports that come out are all negative. And most people take great pleasure in seeing them fall.
An interesting article I saw on facebook written by a muslim. Food for thought.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/mohammad-nizam-abdul-kadir/city-harvest-church-the-views-of-a-muslim-singaporean-remember-operation-spectru/359495054082723
This may just be a smoke screen so that they can perpetuate their hidden deeds znd true intention. -
27 June 2012, Channel News Asia
By Sara Grosse
Closer attention needs to be paid towards leadership in charities: NVPC
SINGAPORE:
In the wake of the court case involving five leaders of City Harvest Church, the National Volunteer & Philanthropy Centre said charities need to pay closer attention to their leadership.
The national body, which promotes philanthropy and volunteerism in Singapore, is confident that donors will continue to give generously to charities.
The past few years have seen several charities come under fire over the misuse of public funds. From revelations about former National Kidney Foundation chief T T Durai's pay and perks in 2005, to unauthorised loans made by Ren Ci hospital ex-CEO Ming Yi in 2007.
In November 2007, Singapore's Charity Council introduced the code of governance to ensure accountability and boost confidence in the charity sector.
In 2011, the code was fine-tuned to provide greater clarity and compliance. This included tightening the distinction of roles between board and staff members. The code also makes clear that the salaries of the three highest paid staff should be disclosed for large charities that receive S$10 million or more.
The court case involving five senior members of City Harvest Church over alleged misuse of church funds has begged the question of whether the code needs further tightening.
Laurence Lien, CEO of the National Volunteer & Philanthropy Centre, said: \"I don't think we should have a knee jerk reaction to this and just decide that we need to tighten code of governance. At the end of the day, it boils down to the leaders who are leading the organisation.
\"You can have whatever code in place. If the leaders ignore the code and do not comply, which I believe in this case happened, no code, whatever the type, is going to do the job.\"
Mr Lien said the case is a wake-up call for charities to take planned leadership succession more seriously, and added that the case should not have a long-term impact on charitable donation.
He said: \"I think lots of people who work in the charity sector still do extremely good work. Many charities still practice good governance. And donors by and large are discerning, so I'm confident they will continue to give generously to charities.\"
source
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1210296/1/.html
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