City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[WeiHan]

Busymom:

But agree that until the 5 are proven guilty, we should not be too quick to pass judgement. Just feel sad for the other four if they did not benefit at all from the alleged wrongdoing.

I read that money has also been moved around to help one of the pastor...so one of the other 4 also benefitted. Seems that people only focus on misusing of fund to benefit Sun Ho but forgotten the other charge.

One of them donated alot to the church in the earlier year. He got into financialy trouble recently and the church decided to help him by using the church fund.....something like that...can't remember the detail.

[kiddo]

U know the Law of the land

And you break it ?
But you doing the work of God?

What an ‘irony’. ??
Like Busymom say "a wrong is a wrong "
No 2 wAy about it ???!

[Way2GO]

buds:

Nebbermind... that cud be it! Else there wouldn't be followers saying, it's ok.. outsiders won't know how much SH did to help others and what she has done to help others. A case of nebbermind... we know where it goes.. we don't mind.. it's eventually put to good use.. to help people. Guess for some, they've probably known all along?

d sentiments of d supporters n whether it was eventually put to gud use in outreach project don't matter when it goes before d court. d law only looks at intent. d gud deeds done can be use in mitigation plea.
Concocting a scheme to roundtrip n channelling funds thro' various entities indirectly for SH's expenditures just does not look above board.

In d case of Joachim Kang, he was convicted of CBT for misappropriating money entrusted to his care by a parishioner.
His defence then was they were gifts. He still went in.

In d case of Ming Yi, his conviction included charges of fraud, falsifying documents n forgery though all he did was trying to help his PA on a $50K loan,
Though d loan was eventually returned. It doesn't matter in d eyes of d law. d process was improper.

[Way2GO]

concern2:

Don't know if it is right of me to compare, but was there such reaction from followers and 'supporters' in Ming Yi's case? I do not recall there to be. The reaction then was more or less similar to Durai's case.

Ming Yi's supporters in Foo Hai Chan Monastery continue to support him even after his conviction,
though there were calls by other Buddhists to defrock him.
I don't think he was defrock by a Sangha Council, coz he remains d abbot for dat Monastery.

In explaining why he lied to d CoC, he brought up d parable of a poisonous snake .
Though he knows it is against d Precepts to kill, he still will do it expediently to protect his patients.

Durai's misuse of public funds caused a much bigger public outcry compared to Ming Yi, n we nvr look at peanuts d same again.

ps I tried again, but I still couldn't upload d chart I mentioned earlier. Maybe d chart size is bigger than wat's allowed, or I m not doing it right.

[WeiHan]

Way2GO:

Ming Yi's supporters in Foo Hai Chan Monastery continue to support him even after his conviction,
though there were calls by other Buddhists to defrock him.
I don't think he was defrock by a Sangha Council, coz he remains d abbot for dat Monastery.

There is a standard procedure laid out by the Buddha to defrock a misbehaved monk. However, in Singapore, there simply isn't sufficient senior monks and elders to initiate the process.

[concern2]

buds:

BeContented:

Know how the funds are being moved all around so elaborately/inappropriately ??? hmmmmm

innocent until proven guilty... :xedfingers:

Agree, that's why I'm steering clear from making judgements, just analyzing society from a different angle. Hope this is ok...

[concern2]

Way2GO:

concern2:

Don't know if it is right of me to compare, but was there such reaction from followers and 'supporters' in Ming Yi's case? I do not recall there to be. The reaction then was more or less similar to Durai's case.

Ming Yi's supporters in Foo Hai Chan Monastery continue to support him even after his conviction,
though there were calls by other Buddhists to defrock him.
I don't think he was defrock by a Sangha Council, coz he remains d abbot for dat Monastery.

In explaining why he lied to d CoC, he brought up d parable of a poisonous snake .
Though he knows it is against d Precepts to kill, he still will do it expediently to protect his patients.

Wow. Thanks for the info.

Way2GO:

Durai's misuse of public funds caused a much bigger public outcry compared to Ming Yi, n we nvr look at peanuts d same again.

Oh! :stupid: how could I forget that! THE PEANUT! :rant: :nunchuk:

[Dreamaurora]

Just read ST today and a couple articles today written are fair and balanced, cannot say the same for the rest of the MSM who try to sensationalize this saga.


Some points raised:
- CHC decided to write the press release to allay the concerns of the church goers and to set the record straight
- Some laywers interviewed suggest CHC’s ‘risky’ press release may be considered as a subjudice (Subhas has gone on record for this). But there is no mention if any action is going to be taken againts CHC or any official statement from police or the court.
- The case rests not on whether Sun Ho’s career has done good or if the church goers mind the church funds are used for to fund her career, but on whether the persecution can prove the church fund has been used for other purpose than what the fund is originally meant for.

[Happy Mama]

My first time watching CHC's online broadcast church service today and I saw this lady mentioning in her testimonial about Sun Ho's China Wine MTV and how Sun has changed the lady's life and how grateful she is to Sun.


Here's the MTV. Just wondering how this MTV applies to the religion. :? Oops! Please don't flame me hor. I'm just curious, as a non-Christian. :siam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twxf2LraoEE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Angelight]

Hi Dreamaurora, tutormum,


I agree with you that as fellow Christians, we should not judge another Christian. No one has the right or sinless enough to judge them except God Himself. But to be fair, we also can’t blame those who criticise KH, SH or CHC becos their behavior really put themselves subject to criticism and judgment.

For eg, the church members who turned up in full force to support their pastor. Yes, they are not wrong to show utmost support for their beloved pastor, but why got into shouting match and physical tussle (as reported in papers) with the photojournalists and shouted at them "why don’t you get another job?!" My gosh, they are just doing their job, why be so hard on them?

And now even the whole church publicly ‘challenged’ the authorities with their latest press release…they did not know that they are actually making themselves in a more negative light by their behavior. And even for some of us who may be neutral about them initially are also getting very uncomfortable by their actions and behavior.

Just sharing how I feel, hope won’t offend anyone.