City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[concern2]

buds:

BeContented:

Know how the funds are being moved all around so elaborately/inappropriately ??? hmmmmm

innocent until proven guilty... :xedfingers:

Agree, that's why I'm steering clear from making judgements, just analyzing society from a different angle. Hope this is ok...

[concern2]

Way2GO:

concern2:

Don't know if it is right of me to compare, but was there such reaction from followers and 'supporters' in Ming Yi's case? I do not recall there to be. The reaction then was more or less similar to Durai's case.

Ming Yi's supporters in Foo Hai Chan Monastery continue to support him even after his conviction,
though there were calls by other Buddhists to defrock him.
I don't think he was defrock by a Sangha Council, coz he remains d abbot for dat Monastery.

In explaining why he lied to d CoC, he brought up d parable of a poisonous snake .
Though he knows it is against d Precepts to kill, he still will do it expediently to protect his patients.

Wow. Thanks for the info.

Way2GO:

Durai's misuse of public funds caused a much bigger public outcry compared to Ming Yi, n we nvr look at peanuts d same again.

Oh! :stupid: how could I forget that! THE PEANUT! :rant: :nunchuk:

[Dreamaurora]

Just read ST today and a couple articles today written are fair and balanced, cannot say the same for the rest of the MSM who try to sensationalize this saga.


Some points raised:
- CHC decided to write the press release to allay the concerns of the church goers and to set the record straight
- Some laywers interviewed suggest CHC’s ‘risky’ press release may be considered as a subjudice (Subhas has gone on record for this). But there is no mention if any action is going to be taken againts CHC or any official statement from police or the court.
- The case rests not on whether Sun Ho’s career has done good or if the church goers mind the church funds are used for to fund her career, but on whether the persecution can prove the church fund has been used for other purpose than what the fund is originally meant for.

[Happy Mama]

My first time watching CHC's online broadcast church service today and I saw this lady mentioning in her testimonial about Sun Ho's China Wine MTV and how Sun has changed the lady's life and how grateful she is to Sun.


Here's the MTV. Just wondering how this MTV applies to the religion. :? Oops! Please don't flame me hor. I'm just curious, as a non-Christian. :siam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twxf2LraoEE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Angelight]

Hi Dreamaurora, tutormum,


I agree with you that as fellow Christians, we should not judge another Christian. No one has the right or sinless enough to judge them except God Himself. But to be fair, we also can’t blame those who criticise KH, SH or CHC becos their behavior really put themselves subject to criticism and judgment.

For eg, the church members who turned up in full force to support their pastor. Yes, they are not wrong to show utmost support for their beloved pastor, but why got into shouting match and physical tussle (as reported in papers) with the photojournalists and shouted at them "why don’t you get another job?!" My gosh, they are just doing their job, why be so hard on them?

And now even the whole church publicly ‘challenged’ the authorities with their latest press release…they did not know that they are actually making themselves in a more negative light by their behavior. And even for some of us who may be neutral about them initially are also getting very uncomfortable by their actions and behavior.

Just sharing how I feel, hope won’t offend anyone.

[phtthp]

i) any idea which is the largest group in SG, by religion ?

is it Taoism, Buddhism, Catholic, Christianity, free thinker, others ?

ii)

tutormum:

Latest is 25000. NC is about 30000

means as of today ...
New Creation church occupy #1 position, City Harvest #2.
CH is behind NC.

which is # 3 church ?

iii) do most / all of the Charismatic \"speak in tongue\" churches normally classified as \"Independent\" church ?

if any pastor from Independent churches get into trouble with the law, then who manage / deal with them ? i mean ... who is higher in authority above them ?

[kwcllf]

Angelight:

Hi Dreamaurora, tutormum,


I agree with you that as fellow Christians, we should not judge another Christian. No one has the right or sinless enough to judge them except God Himself. But to be fair, we also can't blame those who criticise KH, SH or CHC becos their behavior really put themselves subject to criticism and judgment.

For eg, the church members who turned up in full force to support their pastor. Yes, they are not wrong to show utmost support for their beloved pastor, but why got into shouting match and physical tussle (as reported in papers) with the photojournalists and shouted at them \"why don't you get another job?!\" My gosh, they are just doing their job, why be so hard on them?

And now even the whole church publicly 'challenged' the authorities with their latest press release...they did not know that they are actually making themselves in a more negative light by their behavior. And even for some of us who may be neutral about them initially are also getting very uncomfortable by their actions and behavior.

Just sharing how I feel, hope won't offend anyone.

This simply adds to the negative perception of them. Cannot blame others for being critical.

[phankao]

Dreamaurora:

Seventh Day Adventists is also generally regarded as non Protestant in Singapore and not registered under NCCS as well. But this one is more debatable, they still use the same Bible just that they have very strict customs, e.g. cannot eat pork.


I will refrain from calling these churches 'cults' although they are regarded by some Christians as such. I think we all can practice tolerance towards those with different beliefs than us.

Who say cannot eat pork? It's just advised not to bc Pork is considered 2nd/3rd-class meat. eg. Fish or Beef is considered 1st-class meat since what is first in the food-chain is a vegetable. In fact, to be even healthier, humans should not be eating meat - if we are really to go into how our teeth/digestive system are designed. And these are advised by the church Bc SDAs believe that their bodies are \"Temples of God\" . So should live as healthy a lifestyle as possible, and that includes not only healthy diet but also exercise, temperance etc. These are all Basic Commonsence and what everyone else should follow - don't even need to be SDA to want to lead a healthy lifestyle in that way. Not all who live this way are SDAs even!!!

So, as SDAs, there really is never a \"CANNOT eat this and that\", or \"cannot do this or that\". Some have construed it wrongly and take it as a list of \"Dos & Don'ts\" which is an incorrect view. That, is taken way out of proportion.

[phtthp]

Thanks for clarification on SDA, phankao.


so there’s no such thing as cannot eat pork, cannot eat chicken, cannot eat beef, etc.
In short, still can eat.

[phankao]

phtthp:

Thanks for clarification, phankao.


so there's no such thing as cannot eat pork, cannot eat chicken, cannot eat beef, etc. In short, can still eat.

It's just that the church promotes living a healthier lifestyle as far as possible.