City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[Dreamaurora]

FQW:

Is there a verse in the Bible which says that we [Christians] should not criticize church leaders. Something like let God deal with them [and their wrongdoing]?


Many years back, someone mentioned this to me before.

Edit: just in case there's any misunderstanding - I was from a traditional church, not all these megachurches.

NOT TRUE. Can read 1 Timothy 5 for the procedure to deal with church leaders who err.

[Lilac66]

Dreamaurora:

empressplace:

[quote=\"Dreamaurora\"] Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different.

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.

http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

Well, its not a lie if you believe in it.

Referring to Kong her in the article btw[/quote]

After reading the article, I can only say \"Woa, the gift of the gab he has! KH certainly has a very powerful ability to turn something black into something white by his argument. As a Christian , I know the doctrines have been twisted to his advantage. But if I were a newly converted Christian, esp if I started out in CHC, I can't say for sure I won't be swayed by KH's teachings and argument. Therein lies the danger for alot of Christian youths who were brought to Christ by the members of CHC.

Therefore, I agree we as parents have a lot on our plate as the world is becoming more corrupted ,and the fact is that the corruption is done so subtly. We have to watch our children and grab every opportunity to teach them that in the Bible, right is right, wrong is wrong. You can't turn a wrong into a right.And of course to pray unceasingly for them coz soon they'll be turning more to friends than us.

Now I know why my niece refused to listen to our advice to leave CHC. She started out there as an impressionable youth, and like what lot of KSP parents said, the youths have been brainwashed.

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

Dreamaurora:

Yes, I don't think church leaders should comment on the case or whether Kong Hee is guilty or not. But they could have engagad on related issues that are raised from this case, such as proper Christian public image (Sun Ho's MTVs) or prosperity teaching.

KH's teachings and Sun Ho's public image issues have been around for years. If they are worthy of comment, then they should be commented on whether there was a criminal case before the courts or not. In other words, the other Christian leaders should not need to wait till today if they find it necessary to criticise a leader of a very popular church in public. If they only do so today, then it begs the question of why they did not do so earlier. Does it require a criminal case to criticise teachings?

So to the contrary, I think Christian leaders may only be able to comment on the court course after the matter has come to a conclusion and may find it hard to go on to comment on KH's teachings or Sun Ho's music career.

In fact, Lawrence Khong of FCBC spoke in support of KH:

\"We must stand ever more united in love and stronger in prayer for Pastor Kong Hee and the church. This is a time of testing for the Body of Christ. We are all on trial before a righteous God, and we must ask ourselves: do we truly love the Body?\"

http://www.fcbc.org.sg/fcbc/en/celebration/our-thoughts-this-week

Not sure, though, why they are \"all on trial before a righteous God\" when it is just the few individuals who are charged in court?!

Lawrence Khong and Kong Hee are close pals.

A better choice of words would be \"we all stand accountable before a righteous God,...\"

I believe Lawrence Khong is not referring to the impending trial against the Famous Five but the negative fallout their arrests has on the universal church of God as a whole.

[phtthp]

No Kidding:

In fact, Lawrence Khong of FCBC spoke in support of KH.

heard somewhere before that Lawrence Khong of FCBC performed some magic show(s) on stage.

Is this True ?
If True:-
a) what was the purpose / intent of him to perform such magic tricks? Who are his target audience / congregation ?

b) How does magic show(s) enable him reach out to the non Christians? :? I am utterly confused!
anyone from FCBC can comment ?

c) is it right or wrong to resort to magic tricks ?
is it written anywhere in the bible that Pastors are allowed or can use magic tricks ?

[daisyt]

I am thinking there should be different bodies to governance each religious leaders, be it of Christians or Buddhist or Taoist or Muslim … You know, just like lawyers, doxyors snd accountants … There should be a kind of license issue to the leaders and the bodies have the rights to remove their status if committed wrongdoings ad per individual religion rules and beliefs. Just my thought lah …

[WeiHan]

daisyt:

I am thinking there should be different bodies to governance each religious leaders, be it of Christians or Buddhist or Taoist or Muslim ... You know, just like lawyers, doxyors snd accountants ... There should be a kind of license issue to the leaders and the bodies have the rights to remove their status if committed wrongdoings ad per individual religion rules and beliefs. Just my thought lah ...

I don't believe in the ideas of governing bodies. Can't the governing bodies be corrupted also? Can't the so called bad guys infiltrate the governing bodies and take it over?

I say, raising the quality of the people is fundamental.

[Nebbermind]

empressplace:

If one Christian pastor starts to criticise another pastor from another church, it would either start a war of words or people may question his intentions. He is not sitting on the fence as such. He can only control what he teaches in his own church and his focus would be to talk about the right principles to his own congregation, without directly attacking another pastor during the current controversy.

Agree with you. If u start criticising the other person, it's no diff from telling off a preacher of another religion because of religious differences.

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

kwcllf:

Nobody is glossing over the differences but to put out a statement like \"Buddhists may repeat life cycles and still not reach Nirvana. Christians go to heaven after death\" is not something should be mentioned lightly without the clear understanding of the teachings of other religions.

Which part is wrong or shows wrong undertanding may I ask?

To be more specific, I am merely emphasising that a Buddhist can only reach Nirwana with great effort over several life cycles whereas for Christians, there is no rebirth to speak about.

This is what the Bible says: Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. (Hebrews 9:27-28)

[patagonia]

Ok, so everyone loves world peace and no one stand up to those obviously wrong teachings (not talking about different interpretations by different denominations).


The kingdom of God shrinks because a huge group of believers are, well, not believing in the right stuff. Doesn’t it matter to any Christians (church leaders or not)?

[No Kidding]

empressplace:

Dreamaurora:

Prior to this case, it seems very few local preachers/leaders are willing to comment on Kong Hee and Sun Ho. If only there had been a concerted effort by local church leaders to rebuke Sun Ho's MTVs and Kong Hee's prosperity teaching, Singapore's Christian landscape could have been very different.

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.

http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

If only the cover-up has been applied religiously to her semi-nakedness and not to the $50+ million transactions, they would have won some respect. Perhaps their good judgement had been rendered impotent under the powerful intoxication of her China Wine.