City Harvest's founder Kong Hee & 4 others arrested/charged

[phtthp]

empressplace:

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.


http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

Might have started church & outreach with love for God initially.
But perhaps somewhere down the line got derailed .... Seek the spirit of discernment as read his reply, zoom in on those underlined words. Is it the spirit of God telling him to reach out through secular music ?

[SilentHermit]

WeiHan:

daisyt:

I am thinking there should be different bodies to governance each religious leaders, be it of Christians or Buddhist or Taoist or Muslim ... You know, just like lawyers, doxyors snd accountants ... There should be a kind of license issue to the leaders and the bodies have the rights to remove their status if committed wrongdoings ad per individual religion rules and beliefs. Just my thought lah ...

I don't believe in the ideas of governing bodies. Can't the governing bodies be corrupted also? Can't the so called bad guys infiltrate the governing bodies and take it over?

I say, raising the quality of the people is fundamental.

Well said. No wonder you can become Grandmaster..

People must understand for themselves what is true and what is false.

As far as religion is concerned, it works this way for me: If someone tells me that 1+1=2, I can try to believe him. On my own, I will try the equation out and see if it works. In order to be absolutely convinced, the equation must work for me when I am here, in Malaysia, in USA or anywhere in the world. It also have to work all the time, at night, in the morning, in good times or bad. There is no use telling me that those times when it does not work is because someone or something is testing my patient or the stenght of my faith, I will not buy that because such subject in life is not for play. And even if I choose to give it the benefit of doubt, during the time when it did not work, I will set a timeline for it to work.

At the beginning when I start believing in it, obviously my understanding of the whole thing will not be as comprehensive as other veterans, as such, when I pray for example, I may not pray with that total understanding in mind. One of the creteria to me is that, even without good understanding, as long as I use 1+1, it still have to give me the answer 2! Otherwise, I will have doubt still! Yes I am practical! lol.. It has to work like as if I am a baby and I am being fed with milk. As a baby, I won't understand what milk is, what protein and minerals there are in the milk, but as long as I just drink it, it will and must help me to grow and get stronger. So the new faith that I will try will have to give me that kind of scenario as well.

On top of that, once I have tried it out, it is important that I also take note of what others around me feel about me. Since I started practicing the new faith, have I become a better person or worse? Let's say you started believing and practice this faith \"X\", over time, if people all around you are getting upset with you and tells you that you have changed to a worse person or you are beginning to have more negative relationships with your family, loved ones or colleagues, then it may be time for you to take stock of what you are doing. All major religion teaches compassion and love for others and should bring more harmony and happiness to one's life. If that is not happening to you, you may be on the wrong track entirely.

The faith you choose can change you and I believe that the right faith will make a person become stronger, more compassionate, wiser and more positive; such a person will be loved and welcomed by others and they will be a joy to have around at all times. Your spouse especially, should be a witness to that, he/she should be your testimonial that you have become a much better person, a happier person, a more confident person and so on.


If any of the above is not happening, it will be all crap to me.

SH

[kwcllf]

phtthp:

empressplace:

Actually this article suggests that some pastors may have written to KH to criticise Sun Ho.


http://c3churchwatch.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/china-boy-china-wine/

The original article by KH cannot be found on his website anymore it seems.

Might have started church & outreach with love for God initially.
But perhaps somewhere down the line got derailed .... Seek the spirit of discernment as read his reply, zoom in on those underlined words. Is it the spirit of God telling him to reach out through secular music ?

Regarding China WineQuote:
“But any intelligent, objective viewer would know that the whole drama is not about sex; if anything, it portrays the reality of a fallen secular world” Unquote

Yeah…..who is he to judge?? Is he playing God?? With his kind of preaching/doctrine, he is only going to bring the whole world down, secular or not!


Christian popular arts are unrealistic, sanitized versions of the real world:
As early as 1916, Hollywood had already discovered that 60 percent of theater owners wanted pictures that portray the real world—even if they contained themes on violence, sex and greed. This is because moviegoers want films that honestly and artistically address the issues of life.

When have Hollywood films really portrayed the real world? There may be some but very rare. Their main purpose is to make money. I guess this runs parallel to his “Prosperity” preaching?


“pop culture represents a powerful means of communicating to us what the real world is like, and how to live in it”

And I think he forgot to add…….how to milk people’s of their money by mixing it with religion.


“The “China Wine” music video was never meant for a church event. Neither was it ever intended to be an evangelism tool or a gospel video”

Isn’t it the main purpose of the Crossover Project?....as they said, to reach out to the secular world and the unchurched”???


KH’s parting shot:
“So to the religious and conservatives who have used nasty, derogatory and expletive terms to describe Sun, my parting shot are the words of Jesus Christ from Matthew 21:31, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.”

The BIG question is: Who is he aiming the parting shot at? Is he any different from the tax collectors and prostitutes that he had quoted??

[Strparent]

kwcllf:

KH’s parting shot:
“So to the religious and conservatives who have used nasty, derogatory and expletive terms to describe Sun, my parting shot are the words of Jesus Christ from Matthew 21:31, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.”

The BIG question is: Who is he aiming the parting shot at? Is he any different from the tax collectors and prostitutes that he had quoted??

who is the COLLECTOR ? who is the pros.. :censored:

:scratchhead: they are ahead of the queue ?

[Daddy D]

Who wrote the Bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

The history very cheem...

Back to present... so anyone can quote the Bible \"out of context\" and use the quotes to justify their actions/thoughts?
:?

[phtthp]

Lianhe Wanbao & Shin Min daily, July 2012


According to Lianhe Wanbao report,

a)

- a 7th name (Dua Poh Teng) has entered the fray of the City Harvest Church scandal.

- Lianhe Wanbao also reported that the eleven people who are embroiled in the case have opened over 40 companies, 13 of which are connected to each other.

According to Accounting and Corporate Regulatory Authority’s (ACRC) records -
the eleven people are linked to over 40 companies as owner, shareholder, director or secretary. 13 of these companies are interconnected with at least two people from the group holding key appointments.

http://news.insing.com/tabloid/-7th-name-mentioned-in-the-city-harvest-scandal/id-88523f00

b)

City Harvest scandal grows as more names surface

i) Serina Wee: ex-City Harvest finance director

ii) wealthy Indonesian Wahju Hanafi: Kong Hee’s \"true friend\"

it was reported that \"The apartment at Sentosa Cove where Mr Kong lives with his family is registered under Mr Hanafi’s name.\"

http://news.insing.com/tabloid/city-harvest-scandal-grows-as-more-names-surface/id-6c523f00

[Strparent]

dolphinsiah:

This funny video by Jim Carey , will cool you down....enjoy...

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:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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dolphinsiah :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

thanks for the links...

to seek forgiveness, must go to the root of the word ...forGIVE http://i45.tinypic.com/34p1a8y.gif\">

[concern2]

:idea: woa.....I am beginning to see why verykiasu2010 said the nick of 'bigdevil' won't be big enuf for KH leh.....

[concern2]

I am saddened that in today’s uncertainties and twisted moralities, if the religions aren’t getting it straight, what other hopes are their for spiritual side of man?


Man like to seek "The Truth", and it is "The Truth" that gives one peace, faith and strength to pull through life’s ups and downs, twists and turns. Now, when even '"The Truth" can be interpreted differently by different church of thoughts, where lies then, the REAL TRUTH?

[Sun_2010]

Daddy

Who wrote the Bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

The history very cheem...

Back to present... so anyone can quote the Bible \"out of context\" and use the quotes to justify their actions/thoughts?
:?

Reminds me of this quote in the Merchant of Venice

\"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose\"