Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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3Boys:
Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ?janet_lee88:
I have not made any personal attacks on anyone...purely voicing my view on why billions are spent on tutors. To have my views 'rubbished' is utterly unfair.
I try not to make personal attacks. But I take issue with broad sweeping statements that denigrate persons or organisations, without substantiation. A statement like \"It is MOE who makes parents kiasu\" is so out of left field that it is deserving of a sharp rebuttal, and far from being unfair.
Talking about fairness, have you considered whether your statements are fair on the MOE?
We did not need tutors back then...teachers could teach the kids...it was also about the same number of students in the class too. Why aren't teachers today able to do that ?
Who trains the teachers ? MOE or schools ? -
jtoh:
Cigarettes have been proven to cause cancer so a warning is deemed necessary.
I don't feel it is over-regulating when cigarettes manufacturers are required by LAW to WARN users of the potential adverse effects of smoking to their potential customer.limlim:
[quote=\"jtoh\"]
Tuition centres are a different story altogether. But they're private businesses and we can't regulate how they advertise can we? Perhaps we can but I don't believe in over-regulating.
The same principle applies.
But tuition? Tuition is necessary for those who are weak in their subjects. It isn't evil.[/quote]
But hor, the tuition industry is causing parents whether the kids are academically strong or not, too much stress. The IMH will then see a burgeoning no. of children and parents alike seeking help. So it's also a health risk...oops
ok, maybe not la :wrongmove:
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Busymom:
Fact is whatever is rolled out, there will be nay sayers. People complain and are not happy with what is in place now. But no one truly knows what they really want. Even if they do, can we be sure that it is going to be better or the right way?
This may help BUT...Funz:
Off the cuff thoughts. Possible or not, dunno.
Full day school. Schools to take on non-academic subjects as part of their curriculum. Music, sport, community service, cultural studies, singapore history, home ec, money sense, grooming, etiquette, etc.
I have an impression that there are complaints from parents about supplementary classes from school being a waste of time, wouldn't this make it even worse?...Funz:
This will only make those who are kiasu even more kiasu. P1 and P2 will no longer be honeymoon period. JMO.Results for posting to secondary school be based on Pr 4,5,6 results rather than 1 single big exam.
It's the same as replacing SA1 and SA2 for P1 and P2 with holistic assessments. There are parents who are simply freaked out by the holistic assessment because they now have to watch their children's every single test like a hawk. Again, this is based on what I have gathered from the forum so far.
Right now people say P1 & P2 is honeymoon. P3 gotta buck up, P4 glimpse of reality, P5 a big fat slap in the face, P6 time of reckoning.
Some say at 12yrs old, for everything to boil down to 1 single exam is not fair as they may not be able to handle to stress, etc. So do a cumulative result over a few years. You have 3 yrs to achieve your goal.
Anyway, just tossing ideas for the fun of it. -
janet_lee88:
Ummm... disagree.
Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ?
SOME teachers are not able to teach a class of 40. This is true even in our time.
And NO, not all who have tuition do so because of ineffective teachers. MANY have tuition so they stay ahead. OTHERS have tuition because their kids need 1-1 guidance. -
Lilac66:
Cigarettes have been proven to cause cancer so a warning is deemed necessary.jtoh:
[quote=\"limlim\"]
I don't feel it is over-regulating when cigarettes manufacturers are required by LAW to WARN users of the potential adverse effects of smoking to their potential customer.
The same principle applies.
But tuition? Tuition is necessary for those who are weak in their subjects. It isn't evil.
But hor, the tuition industry is causing parents whether the kids are academically strong or not, too much stress. The IMH will then see a burgeoning no. of children and parents alike seeking help. So it's also a health risk...oops ok, maybe not la :wrongmove:[/quote]But hor, it isn't tuition that's creating the health risk. 
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Funz:
:goodpost: I've been an ostrich.
And NO, not all who have tuition do so because of ineffective teachers. MANY have tuition so they stay ahead. OTHERS have tuition because their kids need 1-1 guidance.janet_lee88:
Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ? -
I wonder what is the MOE policy for allocating good and experienced teachers ? If some parents insist the school teachers teach well and some parents don’t, maybe we should appeal to MOE to rotate the teachers from reputable schools like nyps to other neighbourhood schools and vice versa. They insist all schools are the same And parents insist schools teach well anyway. And since it is so difficult to get into all the reputable schools with all the volunteering hardships, then we should bring the reputable schools teachers to the neighbourhood schools to promote social mobility. And for such noble acts, the teachers should be paid more bonus .
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Funz:
Fact is whatever is rolled out, there will be nay sayers. People complain and are not happy with what is in place now. But no one truly knows what they really want. Even if they do, can we be sure that it is going to be better or the right way?
This may help BUT...Busymom:
[quote=\"Funz\"]Off the cuff thoughts. Possible or not, dunno.
Full day school. Schools to take on non-academic subjects as part of their curriculum. Music, sport, community service, cultural studies, singapore history, home ec, money sense, grooming, etiquette, etc.
I have an impression that there are complaints from parents about supplementary classes from school being a waste of time, wouldn't this make it even worse?...Funz:
This will only make those who are kiasu even more kiasu. P1 and P2 will no longer be honeymoon period. JMO.Results for posting to secondary school be based on Pr 4,5,6 results rather than 1 single big exam.
It's the same as replacing SA1 and SA2 for P1 and P2 with holistic assessments. There are parents who are simply freaked out by the holistic assessment because they now have to watch their children's every single test like a hawk. Again, this is based on what I have gathered from the forum so far.
Right now people say P1 & P2 is honeymoon. P3 gotta buck up, P4 glimpse of reality, P5 a big fat slap in the face, P6 time of reckoning.
Some say at 12yrs old, for everything to boil down to 1 single exam is not fair as they may not be able to handle to stress, etc. So do a cumulative result over a few years. You have 3 yrs to achieve your goal.
Anyway, just tossing ideas for the fun of it.[/quote]Agree with you that whatever that is rolled out, there will always be people who are not happy. Hence, for MOE, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
If 12yo is too young, then 10 and 11yo is even younger and even more unfair to boys who are likely to mature later than girls.
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Funz:
Agreed! Some teachers couldn't or didn't bother to teach even during our time. It's just parents' mentality has changed.
SOME teachers are not able to teach a class of 40. This is true even in our time. -
cherryc:
I wonder what is the MOE policy for allocating good and experienced teachers ? If some parents insist the school teachers teach well and some parents don't, maybe we should appeal to MOE to rotate the teachers from reputable schools like nyps to other neighbourhood schools and vice versa. They insist all schools are the same And parents insist schools teach well anyway. And since it is so difficult to get into all the reputable schools with all the volunteering hardships, then we should bring the reputable schools teachers to the neighbourhood schools to promote social mobility. And for such noble acts, the teachers should be paid more bonus .
in fact they do but not trumpeted
some of the favourite science and math teachers had been transferred out to other neighbourhood school, some even in the middle of the acad year
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