Asia spending billions on tutors: study
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Funz:
:goodpost: I've been an ostrich.
And NO, not all who have tuition do so because of ineffective teachers. MANY have tuition so they stay ahead. OTHERS have tuition because their kids need 1-1 guidance.janet_lee88:
Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ? -
I wonder what is the MOE policy for allocating good and experienced teachers ? If some parents insist the school teachers teach well and some parents don’t, maybe we should appeal to MOE to rotate the teachers from reputable schools like nyps to other neighbourhood schools and vice versa. They insist all schools are the same And parents insist schools teach well anyway. And since it is so difficult to get into all the reputable schools with all the volunteering hardships, then we should bring the reputable schools teachers to the neighbourhood schools to promote social mobility. And for such noble acts, the teachers should be paid more bonus .
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Funz:
Fact is whatever is rolled out, there will be nay sayers. People complain and are not happy with what is in place now. But no one truly knows what they really want. Even if they do, can we be sure that it is going to be better or the right way?
This may help BUT...Busymom:
[quote=\"Funz\"]Off the cuff thoughts. Possible or not, dunno.
Full day school. Schools to take on non-academic subjects as part of their curriculum. Music, sport, community service, cultural studies, singapore history, home ec, money sense, grooming, etiquette, etc.
I have an impression that there are complaints from parents about supplementary classes from school being a waste of time, wouldn't this make it even worse?...Funz:
This will only make those who are kiasu even more kiasu. P1 and P2 will no longer be honeymoon period. JMO.Results for posting to secondary school be based on Pr 4,5,6 results rather than 1 single big exam.
It's the same as replacing SA1 and SA2 for P1 and P2 with holistic assessments. There are parents who are simply freaked out by the holistic assessment because they now have to watch their children's every single test like a hawk. Again, this is based on what I have gathered from the forum so far.
Right now people say P1 & P2 is honeymoon. P3 gotta buck up, P4 glimpse of reality, P5 a big fat slap in the face, P6 time of reckoning.
Some say at 12yrs old, for everything to boil down to 1 single exam is not fair as they may not be able to handle to stress, etc. So do a cumulative result over a few years. You have 3 yrs to achieve your goal.
Anyway, just tossing ideas for the fun of it.[/quote]Agree with you that whatever that is rolled out, there will always be people who are not happy. Hence, for MOE, it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.
If 12yo is too young, then 10 and 11yo is even younger and even more unfair to boys who are likely to mature later than girls.
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Funz:
Agreed! Some teachers couldn't or didn't bother to teach even during our time. It's just parents' mentality has changed.
SOME teachers are not able to teach a class of 40. This is true even in our time. -
cherryc:
I wonder what is the MOE policy for allocating good and experienced teachers ? If some parents insist the school teachers teach well and some parents don't, maybe we should appeal to MOE to rotate the teachers from reputable schools like nyps to other neighbourhood schools and vice versa. They insist all schools are the same And parents insist schools teach well anyway. And since it is so difficult to get into all the reputable schools with all the volunteering hardships, then we should bring the reputable schools teachers to the neighbourhood schools to promote social mobility. And for such noble acts, the teachers should be paid more bonus .
in fact they do but not trumpeted
some of the favourite science and math teachers had been transferred out to other neighbourhood school, some even in the middle of the acad year -
Busymom:
agreed
Agreed! Some teachers couldn't or didn't bother to teach even during our time. It's just parents' mentality has changed.Funz:
SOME teachers are not able to teach a class of 40. This is true even in our time. -
janet_lee88:
But you make no mention of this in your original post, which is a completely different discussion point. It was a tirade against the press, against PSLE, tuition centres, ending with \"Parents are kiasu because MOE made us so.\"
Fine, teachers aren't able to teach a class of 40. So that's why we need tutors. AGREE ?
We did not need tutors back then...teachers could teach the kids...it was also about the same number of students in the class too. Why aren't teachers today able to do that ?
Who trains the teachers ? MOE or schools ?
I agree with Funz, there were good and bad teachers back in our day too. The amount of content and depth has increased dramatically since then, and the content delivery, in my view, has kept up in general. But there is a lot more that a child can learn these days outside of school, as parents, we need to make the choices as to how much more we want to make them learn, as opposed to other activities they can get engaged in.
Its easy to blame the system when the child is failing, and to some extent, teachers ALREADY do blame themselves, they feel bad about it. But how much of this is warranted? -
verykiasu2010:
is this by choice? do they volunteer/ request or are they being volunteered?cherryc:
I wonder what is the MOE policy for allocating good and experienced teachers ? If some parents insist the school teachers teach well and some parents don't, maybe we should appeal to MOE to rotate the teachers from reputable schools like nyps to other neighbourhood schools and vice versa. They insist all schools are the same And parents insist schools teach well anyway. And since it is so difficult to get into all the reputable schools with all the volunteering hardships, then we should bring the reputable schools teachers to the neighbourhood schools to promote social mobility. And for such noble acts, the teachers should be paid more bonus .
in fact they do but not trumpeted
some of the favourite science and math teachers had been transferred out to other neighbourhood school, some even in the middle of the acad year -
I will do what I can to accompany my kids during their learning journey. It's a tough and long road ahead. At the end of the day, my kids are my pride and joy. Accepting them for what they are is crucial.
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3Boys:
IMO, the adult elephants is NOT kiasu parents.. But other MOE policies are contribute to the unhealthy tuition phenomenon. Such as some teachers who moonlight(allowed by MOE) (and neglect school students) and some teachers who encourage students to go for tuition (less work for them to teach).
I see, the elephant in the room is the kiasu attitude of parents, but instead of trying to deal with that and change attitudes, we tiptoe around it and try to placate instead.....what a great way to craft policy.limlim:
It is meaningless to talk about a factor which is not within control.
The kiasu parents are maybe the infant elephants.. significant, but not the biggest.
but anyway, what do you suggest to deal with the kiasu parents attitude? you or me educate them? No right?
It falls back to MOE to educate them, isn't it?
or come to KSP forum and bitch about kiasu parents and in the end, there is no constructive suggestions to deal with kiasium.
Enrichment/Tuition industry continues to prosper, kids suffer, and the product of the education system produces many well trained in exams(The KPI of tuition) but lacks capability.
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