Asia spending billions on tutors: study

[Chenonceau]

autumnbronze:

Since it has been established that there are SOME NIE trained teachers who cannot teach, I don't see why the fuss about untrained teachers. For many other professions, we all have to start from somewhere. Why pick on the teachers only? This is clearly looking like a witch hunt .... a means to find any negative crumb against teachers to feed the masses.

Janet... I'm confused now. Can I just clarify with you ... do you think...

(1) .... ALL teachers can't teach, or some?

(2) .... ALL teachers can't teach because they're lousy themselves or because of some systemic lack?

(3) .... ALL teachers are spoilt rotten or do they have a tough time too and life could be made better for them through systems strengthening?

[janet88]

Chenonceau:

autumnbronze:

Since it has been established that there are SOME NIE trained teachers who cannot teach, I don't see why the fuss about untrained teachers. For many other professions, we all have to start from somewhere. Why pick on the teachers only? This is clearly looking like a witch hunt .... a means to find any negative crumb against teachers to feed the masses.

(1) .... ALL teachers can't teach, or some?
There are passionate teachers still around...they are dedicated and really go all the way.

(2) .... ALL teachers can't teach because they're lousy themselves or because of some systemic lack?
Some could have lost that passion after years of teaching. There may be other factors involved.

(3) .... ALL teachers are spoilt rotten or do they have a tough time too and life could be made better for them through systems strengthening?

A friend of mine didn't get a pass in English. So he could not get the formal training at NIE.

[Chenonceau]

janet_lee88:

A friend of mine didn't get a pass in English. So he could not get the formal training at NIE.

He is still teaching? After how many years?

[janet88]

Chenonceau:

janet_lee88:

A friend of mine didn't get a pass in English. So he could not get the formal training at NIE.

He is still teaching? After how many years?

Yeah...he is still an adjunct teacher. Teaching technical subjects...he must have been in the school for about 3 years already.

[Chenonceau]

autumnbronze:

The latest posts that I have just read, the subtle or not so
subtle nuances towards the alternative group shocked me. Now who is stoking the fire huh??

Yes... we can do without the subtle nuances from \"limlim's camp\" (unnecessarily provocative)... even as we can do without the word \"rubbish\" (also very provocative) from people in the \"alternative camp\". Though... this notion of \"camp\" is rather polarizing, and I do know that from whichever the camp, there are overlapping areas that we do agree upon.

autumnbronze:

in what the alternative group have to say and choose to read what they want to read

Limlim did concede that he had a \"bad idea\" or something like that?

autumnbronze:

In the recent years, I have seen 4 cousins-in-law picking themselves up after their secondary education because they imbibed the same qualities mentioned above and are doing very well now. 2 of them were from Rosyth, one from a neighbourhood and one from the normal technical stream. So not all from good schools do well in their PSLE. And there are a myriad of reasons why pupils may not do well in their studies in their younger days.

This is inspiring. It comes at the right time to calm our spirits in the months before PSLE. :love:

Peace everyone.

[Chenonceau]

janet_lee88:

Chenonceau:

[quote=\"janet_lee88\"]
A friend of mine didn't get a pass in English. So he could not get the formal training at NIE.

He is still teaching? After how many years?

Yeah...he is still an adjunct teacher. Teaching technical subjects...he must have been in the school for about 3 years already.[/quote]Ok lah... adjunct teacher... ok... not an untrained full teacher. Adjunct teachers do strengthen the system by helping out full teachers. This is good, no? Or do I misunderstand the role of Adjunct? Adjuncts get to teach full classes and be wholly responsible for full classes?

[janet88]

This friend didn’t have it easy in his career…happy for him to get a teaching job.

[Nebbermind]

Sometimes they may perform better coz they r not directly under MOE’s payroll and not required to do those non-academic related stuff.


Have a friend who quitted and re-joined a school…not sure what is the title but he just go and teach, no CCA, no non-academic activities…he’s very happy with the arrangement.

[janet88]

Nebbermind:

Sometimes they may perform better coz they r not directly under MOE's payroll and not required to do those non-academic related stuff.


Have a friend who quitted and re-joined a school...not sure what is the title but he just go and teach, no CCA, no non-academic activities....he's very happy with the arrangement.

There are a handful who do not sent for training at NIE. For eg, if the person didn't get a pass in Eng...but this friend of mine is ok with it since he doesn't have to attend endless meetings and get to coach his kids in their school work.

[corneyAmber]

Busymom:

Limlim


This is what you may have overlooked.

ksi:

This is only one area, there could be more and Sun_2010 has mentioned about materials designed which should rightfully belong to the school. Also, how is MOE or school going to track if a teacher is teaching their own students or not? It is again an issue of span of control. In any case, this moonlight issue in the commercial world is clearly spelt out in the hiring contract for most large companies with protection over intellectual property rights and their customer base.

Just to clarify, I am writing this with reference to tuition centres because we were comparing school versus tuition centre in moonlighting scenario, not about sharing across schools when Sun_2010 shared about the materials. In line with what limlim has mentioned, when used in tuition centres, it is for personal gains. So our understanding has been consistent.