Is GEP really necessary?

[Melodies]

verykiasu2010:

Melodies:

Your figures do support the point of GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools recognize this. :yikes:


Below are just a very rough calculation:
Presumably, average Tscore for GEPpers is 255 and this is top 6% for the whole cohort. There are abt 50k in a cohort so there are abt 3K pupils who have 255 t-score and above. Say all GEPper are evenly distributed to all IS school together with the comparable mainstreamers who has scored 255 and above, hence each school will have= 500/3000 = 16.7% GEPper. The fact is we are seeing higher % of GEPper population than 16.7% in TOP IP schools. There are abt 300 GEPper scored 255tscore n this shd give about 10% of GEPpers population for each IS school if we assume all comparable (based on PSLE score) GEPpers are evenly distributed to all IS schools with their comparable mainstream peers.

The conclusion is GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools do recognize this and prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers.

Do take the above calculation with a pinch of salts since the data is from KSP forumers and have not been verified with MOE.

got to take it with a barrel of salt, not a pinch
hahaha..

what is the number 3000 ? Alamak! 6% of 50K cohort scored 255 lor, then 3000 lor
how many IP schools now ?
I thought there are 13 schools now

why is GEPpers in demand ? Some GEPper parents said that l.. isn't it the students choose the schools and not the school choose the students ? school can make DSA offers but if the students reject the CO what does it say ?
Students choose schools if you are bright student with stellar results! Schools also choose you wa. Aiya, they are mutually willing parties la Just like match-mate la

[Melodies]

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm not saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

ksi:

Melodies:

I don't see how 1 standardized and controlled GEP program can suit all 500 GEPpers as well? There should be one GEPper who is very good in Area A but the other who is very good in area 2. It can't be all are Leonardo da Vinci, right? No?

Sorry again Melodies, I believe this has been addressed before by some GEP parents here but not picked up. As I have said before, this is re-iteration to nth degree and no understanding seems to have been established so far.

[corneyAmber]

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

[vlim]

ksi:

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

time for a kit kat ... :lightrod: :rotflmao:

[corneyAmber]

Melodies:

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

I see vlim has offered another approach to explain this, (n+1)th time. Check it out.

[Sun_2010]

vlim:

ksi:

[quote=\"vlim\"]Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

time for a kit kat ... :lightrod: :rotflmao:[/quote]Right! There goes my resolution of no snacking at night

At least that is better than this discussion - which is like the bubble gum that has been over chewed.

[Melodies]

O, I see that n I also thought that shd be the reason. this must be one of his pet suggestion. As usual, it will not be wrong lor and it will always be right! :evil: ahemm 我们心照不宣。

ksi:

Melodies:

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm not saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

I see vlim has offered another approach to explain this, (n+1)th time. Check it out.

[Nebbermind]

Wah! So many pgs of exchange…so what’s still the issue now? Gep die die must get > 260 for psle?

[2ppaamm]

friendship:

why don't we look at the END product? meaning what are these 500 GEPers lead their lives?

I know the recent one of the recipient for President Scholarship is a GEPer.

Certainly, there must be more. If the GEP tests are correct, the President Scholar must be a GEPper every year, and every scholarship must be won by a GEPper. That's what all the grooming is about.

Another thing... err.r.... I beg to differ about MOE being experts in giftedness. I am quite sure they know GEP, but definitely not giftedness. Personal experience, and they admit that to me themselves, at their highest level. They also know our GEP system cannot be compared with other gifted programs from overseas when highlighted to them, saying we don't have the same kind of resources, as there are too many (25) a class. But hor, overseas classes are also 25 leh...

[2ppaamm]

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

:rotflmao: vlim, I like your language!

No lah, GEP selection criteria was not always like this. This current selection method has already been adulterated. It used to be just good in Math or English. Now they changed it because it is easier to teach. I tend to agree the old system made sense, since not everyone expects to be omni gifted. But you know, like all things good, they became bastardized. So what we have here is a watered down version of the initial intention. Time for a revamp... people at the top changed the original intention. Now, there seems to be a completely different objective, and not to nurture the talented.