Is GEP really necessary?

[Melodies]

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm not saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

ksi:

Melodies:

I don't see how 1 standardized and controlled GEP program can suit all 500 GEPpers as well? There should be one GEPper who is very good in Area A but the other who is very good in area 2. It can't be all are Leonardo da Vinci, right? No?

Sorry again Melodies, I believe this has been addressed before by some GEP parents here but not picked up. As I have said before, this is re-iteration to nth degree and no understanding seems to have been established so far.

[corneyAmber]

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

[vlim]

ksi:

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

time for a kit kat ... :lightrod: :rotflmao:

[corneyAmber]

Melodies:

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

I see vlim has offered another approach to explain this, (n+1)th time. Check it out.

[Sun_2010]

vlim:

ksi:

[quote=\"vlim\"]Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

Hippo...I can roll over with you now.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but wait!!! got mud or not?

time for a kit kat ... :lightrod: :rotflmao:[/quote]Right! There goes my resolution of no snacking at night

At least that is better than this discussion - which is like the bubble gum that has been over chewed.

[Melodies]

O, I see that n I also thought that shd be the reason. this must be one of his pet suggestion. As usual, it will not be wrong lor and it will always be right! :evil: ahemm 我们心照不宣。

ksi:

Melodies:

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm not saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

I see vlim has offered another approach to explain this, (n+1)th time. Check it out.

[Nebbermind]

Wah! So many pgs of exchange…so what’s still the issue now? Gep die die must get > 260 for psle?

[2ppaamm]

friendship:

why don't we look at the END product? meaning what are these 500 GEPers lead their lives?

I know the recent one of the recipient for President Scholarship is a GEPer.

Certainly, there must be more. If the GEP tests are correct, the President Scholar must be a GEPper every year, and every scholarship must be won by a GEPper. That's what all the grooming is about.

Another thing... err.r.... I beg to differ about MOE being experts in giftedness. I am quite sure they know GEP, but definitely not giftedness. Personal experience, and they admit that to me themselves, at their highest level. They also know our GEP system cannot be compared with other gifted programs from overseas when highlighted to them, saying we don't have the same kind of resources, as there are too many (25) a class. But hor, overseas classes are also 25 leh...

[2ppaamm]

vlim:

Ok ok ok ... About the qn about how can a std gep suit 500 gifted kids right ....... So I think huh back in abt 28 yrs ago when gep not started yet huh ... Maybe huh Someone in the gov said..,' I want to set up a gep to nurture our top 1% gifted kids and they must be alllllll rounder'....

Then B said ,' then how abt those half round?'.....
A said, ' then we set up a secondary school which specialize in Maths and Sci to take them in la... Those super pro one can take accelerated modules of the subject .......'........
B asked again, ' then how abt those find the gep still not challenging?'
A said, ' then bo bian lo, they got to out source lo .....'....
:siam:

:rotflmao: vlim, I like your language!

No lah, GEP selection criteria was not always like this. This current selection method has already been adulterated. It used to be just good in Math or English. Now they changed it because it is easier to teach. I tend to agree the old system made sense, since not everyone expects to be omni gifted. But you know, like all things good, they became bastardized. So what we have here is a watered down version of the initial intention. Time for a revamp... people at the top changed the original intention. Now, there seems to be a completely different objective, and not to nurture the talented.

[2ppaamm]

ksi:

Melodies:

Hi, tks for your patience to reiterate again, not that I didn't read that, I read that but no want can explain exactly why need to do this type of re-iteration to nth degree by having a standardized program for every GEPper. I'm saying of having a few drafts but I'm saying why there is a standardized program with everything are the same. Are they trying to make every GEPper to be Leonardo da Vinci by using the precision way? :yikes:

I see vlim has offered another approach to explain this, (n+1)th time. Check it out.

But that explanation is not correct leh...

A child in my extended family (b. 1989) was chosen for Math alone and the parents were told specifically that he was chosen for Math.

My friend's daughter (b. 1988) was chosen for English alone, for she was an avid reader from 4 years old.

My student1 (b. 1986) was chosen for English and he told me he suffered because it is Math heavy, and classmate to our PM's son.

My student2 (b. 1989) was chosen for Math and he enjoyed the system.

My friend, who was the RGS Math HOD, told me it was impossible to teach those GEPpers who went through in English. These children pulled their class average down, and his KPI down. This current system makes sense, because it makes teaching much easier for teachers. I asked him how about those left out. He said, bo bian lor... teachers' interest must also be taken into consideration...

Not say, say only. Got proof one.

So the current selection DOES leave out all these children, so yes, I have to repeat myself again... hahaha. That the GEP does LEAVE OUT MANY, MANY gifted, and therefore, many, many HIGH ABILITY get in instead. NOTHING WRONG. Just different, MOE has chosen to nurture the High Ability and not the gifted. So be it. Too bad for the country.