PM Lee: What future do you want for Singapore?

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Way2GO:

Did they bring dis back into NSF?
Understand all cleaning jobs in SAF sub out to contractors fr many years ago liao.

Donno whether to laugh about this or to cry. :faint:

[Lilac66]

concern2:

Laura02:

I was talking to the Lao Pan Niang of my local food court. She complained that she cannot get people to clean tables for the food court. One local auntie said she will not clean toilets, will not wash plates, only clear tables. My friend was so short of manpower that she agreed. Auntie came for one day, next day no show, and didn't even call to say that she wasn't coming.

My other friend who runs a restaurant at a hotel also said that they have problems finding local people to work. They can't find enough local kitchen staff, but surprising, find Koreans willing to come here under local contract to work in the kitchen.
So now, I always use a tray and clear my own tray after eating.

Foreigners work here do not get recognized by their own people while local aunties will get recognized by friends and relatives. Let's be frank - It is still considered 'lowly' to work as cleaners here - agree? Would you want your parents to work as cleaners if you could afford them not to? Foreigners come here work at food court can tell their family back home they are \"chefs at renowned restaurant\", and a foreigner who accepts cleaning job here could have a Uni degree, for all we know! Maybe the aunty's children heard about her accepting the cleaning job and asked her not to go back? Even if aunty doesn't mind, maybe the kids would mind? \"What, you let your mother be cleaner at xxx food court arh? You zek ark ah!\" Singapore is sooooo small, man! You'll never know who you're going to bump into!

I believe it's also the fellow Singaporean's attitude towards such workers. It's an honest job, but these diners not only do not show appreciation when a cleaner clears the table , taking for granted that's he's paid to do the job but also these cleaners are made to feel like they are low class Singaporeans. It's really a thankless, tiring job on top of the fact that they're not adequately remunerated.


It's a wonder if any Singaporean wants such a job. It's either we clear our tables to cut down on the reliance of cleaners like 3Boy's mentioned or we embrace the fact that some of these FW are here to make our daily living a little more comfortable.

Also heard a relative in a SME company lamenting that Singaporeans ask for alot of benefits before even wanting to consider an interview. :roll:

[Way2GO]

concern2:

Way2GO:

Did they bring dis back into NSF?
Understand all cleaning jobs in SAF sub out to contractors fr many years ago liao.

Donno whether to laugh about this or to cry. :faint:

dis move I wld agree is logical.
During my time when I was a trainee, my room-mates went to bed about 1 am almost every nite n then we woke up at about 4 am for area cleaning, 5 BX, running n breakfast.
Dis was continuous for five days for a period of about 2-3 months in d run-up to ROC training.

I believe d logic behind d change is trainees n soldiers shd be spending their limited time during NSF undergoing training instead of wasting dat time on area cleaning, change parades, polishing boots n ironing uniforms (which they hv also done away with).

[concern2]

Way2GO:

concern2:

[quote=\"Way2GO\"]
Did they bring dis back into NSF?
Understand all cleaning jobs in SAF sub out to contractors fr many years ago liao.

Donno whether to laugh about this or to cry. :faint:

dis move I wld agree is logical.
During my time when I was a trainee, my room-mates went to bed about 1 am almost every nite n then we woke up at about 4 am for area cleaning, 5 BX, running n breakfast.
Dis was continuous for five days for a period of about 2-3 months in d run-up to ROC training.

I believe d logic behind d change is trainees n soldiers shd be spending their limited time during NSF undergoing training instead of wasting dat time on area cleaning, change parades, polishing boots n ironing uniforms (which they hv also done away with).[/quote]Can the same logic apply for a parent who doesn't want his/her child to do housework but focus on studies so as to do well in it? Isn't this part of the training and discipline? But then again, if I were to go through what you guys have gone through, I would have said \"it is right to do away with the cleaning! \"

[Daddy D]

Way2GO:

concern2:

[quote=\"Way2GO\"]
Did they bring dis back into NSF?
Understand all cleaning jobs in SAF sub out to contractors fr many years ago liao.

Donno whether to laugh about this or to cry. :faint:

dis move I wld agree is logical.
During my time when I was a trainee, my room-mates went to bed about 1 am almost every nite n then we woke up at about 4 am for area cleaning, 5 BX, running n breakfast.
Dis was continuous for five days for a period of about 2-3 months in d run-up to ROC training.

I believe d logic behind d change is trainees n soldiers shd be spending their limited time during NSF undergoing training instead of wasting dat time on area cleaning, change parades, polishing boots n ironing uniforms (which they hv also done away with).[/quote]Oh ya hor... Sub out Liao... No wonder the RSMs got no one to tekan Liao...
I think shld bring back... Helps to train our boys' resilience...
Imagine, U go Shaolin temple train martial arts... Also have to do these chores hor...
:siam:

[WeiHan]

I don’t think we can get away indefinitely for paying such jobs such as cleaner a meagre pay. Is all base on market force. If other countries including 3rd world countries are all implementing minimum wage, sooner or later, this source of workers that help close our gap will dry up. We have to take into consideration that the cost of living in Singapore is high such that even foreign labor workers may not have much to save after paying for their basic expenditure. Our model of exploiting the lowly paid workers won’t last long.

[Nebbermind]

4am :yikes:

W2G, u occifer trainee har?
how come so siong!?

[Daddy D]

Nebbermind:

4am :yikes:

u occifer trainee har?
how come so siong!?

Dun play play... way2go is special force one... :siam:

[Nebbermind]

Daddy

Nebbermind:

4am :yikes:

u occifer trainee har?
how come so siong!?

Dun play play... way2go is special force one... :siam:

I also think so....ONLY special force can do area cleaning properly at 4am!! :evil:

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Lilac66:

I believe it's also the fellow Singaporean's attitude towards such workers. It's an honest job, but these diners not only do not show appreciation when a cleaner clears the table , taking for granted that's he's paid to do the job but also these cleaners are made to feel like they are low class Singaporeans. It's really a thankless, tiring job on top of the fact that they're not adequately remunerated.

So far I've encountered more friendly attitude towards cleaners than bad. I think Singaporeans are getting more empathetic these days, esp. toward the older folks. On the contrary, I've met 2 old folks working at different food outlets with unexpected behaviors:

One was an old man who was busy cleaning a table, and customers had to wait for him to clear the table before they could use. There wasn't any central depositing counter for customers to leave the dirty dishes in, and everyone had to wait for him to make his rounds, yet, he refused to let customers deposit the dirty dishes into his bucket, and insisted that they leave them onto 'other tables' - which were all occupied.

Another case was an old lady who felt customers were \"making things difficult\" for her by asking for this and that. She even took the liberty to scold customers who changed seats like she's their grandmother At first, I felt rather annoyed by her behavior, but after imagining her to be our mother, we became extra warm, polite and considerate, and our friendliness changed her behavior too! She really became like our grandmother, taking good care of us, asking what else we needed