Why screen kids in P1?

[Chenonceau]

RRMummy:

ah chey..verdict out ah....


i just got a chance to read this thread today...and as i was reading...a conspiracy light lit up...

Maybe at P1 first checkpoint on IQ, then at P3, second checkpoint... after second checkpoint, can determine if our lower primary Education can improve IQ or not.. If can, how much, and effectiveness...bla bla bla..

:siam:

Plenty of studies can be done with the P1 IQ data. What you suggest is one such. They could also relate to A level results... access to Ivy League... earnings... marital satisfaction in future. IQ doesn't change over time. At least, theoretically, it isn't supposed to.

It could even be used to assess school effectiveness by relating to PSLE results. If a group of kids of high IQ in School A scores significantly lower than kids of same IQ from ANOTHER School B, then School B is a poorer school since kids of the same IQ should score about the same at PSLE. This would be a perfect reason that would get me to accept P1 IQ testing... however, this means that ONLY the researchers access the data.

It is NOT open data for Teacher reference so as to prevent the Pygmalion effect and Teacher Bias.

[Funz]

ksi:

It would be good to know if you represent the majority of parents.

I do think majority of the parents out there are not that stressed up by GEP. So far, majority of my friends could not be bothered about GEP. The few whose kids made in through were more concerned about the need to change schools and logistics if the kid wants to pursue that path.

[Nebbermind]

phtthp:

the cycle will repeat ....

next time MOE adopt another form of some new testing method to test out another batch of students \"secretly\", another parent will write in complaint to Straits Times.

I seriously doubt they will go that direction.

Based on this \"Together with their academic performance, it is an exercise used to identify pupils who are progressing poorly.\", it sure make sense not to administer this test to 100% of the students when they could just focus on the % identified thru daily academic work. Then they can use the 'unused' resources and pump them into these students who really needed help.

[Chenonceau]

Nebbermind:

phtthp:

the cycle will repeat ....

next time MOE adopt another form of some new testing method to test out another batch of students \"secretly\", another parent will write in complaint to Straits Times.

I seriously doubt they will go that direction.

Based on this \"Together with their academic performance, it is an exercise used to identify pupils who are progressing poorly.\", it sure make sense not to administer this test to 100% of the students when they could just focus on the % identified thru daily academic work. Then they can use the 'unused' resources and pump them into these students who really needed help.

MOE is not out to GET us.

They're just a bunch of people trying to do their job (and feeling hurt in their pride that we don't think they've done a good job and so they went on the defensive). From the look of Ho Ching's speech to Principals a while back, they were pretty clueless for a while too about what to do. Now though, I think people like Lawrence Wong, Sim Ann and HSK see more clearly the way ahead.

Still... why would HSK say class size not important but GEP has small class size?

[Nebbermind]

Chenonceau:

Still... why would HSK say class size not important but GEP has small class size?

I think in order to get the class down from 40 ~30, there need to be another 50 pri schools if I'm not wrong.
Donch get me wrong, I all for smaller class size...but I think they haven't yet figure out how to increase the schools by another 30%

[Chenonceau]

Nebbermind:

Chenonceau:

Still... why would HSK say class size not important but GEP has small class size?

I think in order to get the class down from 40 ~30, there need to be another 50 pri schools if I'm not wrong.
Donch get me wrong, I all for smaller class size...but I think they haven't yet figure out how to increase the schools by another 30%

I understand this too. I know that it isn't easy. So then, say it. Dun say it's not important and have the shining beacon of GEP small classes belie your words. Like this, how to trust?

[SAHM_TAN]

Nebbermind:

Chenonceau:

Still... why would HSK say class size not important but GEP has small class size?

I think in order to get the class down from 40 ~30, there need to be another 50 pri schools if I'm not wrong.
Donch get me wrong, I all for smaller class size...but I think they haven't yet figure out how to increase the schools by another 30%

Build schools with more levels? Can build up or build downwards.

As much as I LOVE single session, smaller classes might be achieved with 2 sessions for each level. This way physical size of the building can remain.

[edtan]

RRMummy:

ah chey..verdict out ah....


i just got a chance to read this thread today...and as i was reading...a conspiracy light lit up...

Maybe at P1 first checkpoint on IQ, then at P3, second checkpoint... after second checkpoint, can determine if our lower primary Education can improve IQ or not.. If can, how much, and effectiveness...bla bla bla..

:siam:

What if P3 GEP requires P1 data when it comes to selection?
MOE probably need to match to see if that child is really gifted.

I rather the kids innocently take the IQ test without parents knowledge.

[Nebbermind]

Chenonceau:

I understand this too. I know that it isn't easy. So then, say it. Dun say it's not important and have the shining beacon of GEP small classes belie your words. Like this, how to trust?

Aiya...his tenure at MOE may just be 3~4 yrs...maybe he donch wanna sabo the next guy mah!! :rotflmao:

[Chenonceau]

edtan:

RRMummy:

ah chey..verdict out ah....


i just got a chance to read this thread today...and as i was reading...a conspiracy light lit up...

Maybe at P1 first checkpoint on IQ, then at P3, second checkpoint... after second checkpoint, can determine if our lower primary Education can improve IQ or not.. If can, how much, and effectiveness...bla bla bla..

:siam:

What if P3 GEP requires P1 data when it comes to selection?
MOE probably need to match to see if that child is really gifted.

I rather the kids innocently take the IQ test without parents knowledge.

The moment parents know that there is IQ testing in P1, and no reason is given, there will be a queue from here to Batam for prenatal brain stimulation. Kids will tell parents things. You can't keep a thing like that secret for long. It's better to explain why this is done. OR stop testing.

And now that they have decided NOT test at P1 at all, they can't use it for P3 GEP anyway. So why worry? If you do still want a P1 IQ test, you can pay any psychologist to do it for you. No use scaring yourself with what ifs.