Why screen kids in P1?

[Melodies]

Me too :? Chen, if you were to teach Steller program to a group of 40-45 children instead of one (little boy), do you think you can handle a group of 40-45 children? do you think the result would be the same for both cases?


Thanks for sharing!

Chenonceau:

Nebbermind:

[quote=\"phtthp\"]
the cycle will repeat ....

next time MOE adopt another form of some new testing method to test out another batch of students \"secretly\", another parent will write in complaint to Straits Times.

I seriously doubt they will go that direction.

Based on this \"Together with their academic performance, it is an exercise used to identify pupils who are progressing poorly.\", it sure make sense not to administer this test to 100% of the students when they could just focus on the % identified thru daily academic work. Then they can use the 'unused' resources and pump them into these students who really needed help.

MOE is not out to GET us.

They're just a bunch of people trying to do their job (and feeling hurt in their pride that we don't think they've done a good job and so they went on the defensive). From the look of Ho Ching's speech to Principals a while back, they were pretty clueless for a while too about what to do. Now though, I think people like Lawrence Wong, Sim Ann and HSK see more clearly the way ahead.

Still... why would HSK say class size not important but GEP has small class size?[/quote]

[Chenonceau]

Me teach Stellar to 40? I would find it tough. I would not do as good a job as I want. I would feel no pride. I would quit.

[Funz]

ksi:

Funz:

Cannot shake the feeling that this fella is :imdrowning: . Can't blame him oso as he inherited a challenging portfolio. One that in many ways is damned if you change and damned if you don't.

Spot on Funz!!! :rotflmao: Glad you said it, better than coming from me..

:skeptical: Why better coming from me than from you?

Hmmm... now you make me feel as if I said something I should not have said. Oh no :nailbite: did I? :scared:

[corneyAmber]

Funz:

ksi:

[quote=\"Funz\"]
Cannot shake the feeling that this fella is :imdrowning: . Can't blame him oso as he inherited a challenging portfolio. One that in many ways is damned if you change and damned if you don't.

Spot on Funz!!! :rotflmao: Glad you said it, better than coming from me..

:skeptical: Why better coming from me than from you?

Hmmm... now you make me feel as if I said something I should not have said. Oh no :nailbite: did I? :scared:[/quote]Be sure of yourself.....read above posts endorsing your post.. no scared.

[DesertWind]

Chenonceau:

Of course, I do realize I have an attitude towards IQ testing that is not common. As a parent, I respect my own child's privacy enough to NOT test his/her IQ even though I can. I am naturally upset that schools see fit to test children's IQ instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. But I do realize that this reaction is far from common. It comes from me working with such data all the time... psychological data misuse is quite common in Singapore because we lack legislation to protect the use of psychological data.

I have the same thinking, Chen. Just not too long ago I turned down flatly the suggestion from a doctor to send my boy for an IQ test \"just in case\". I don't see the need for it. The doctor reassured me that if the test result is not good, then we can just abandon it, can retake in a year's time. If the result is good, well and good. Lets just say at my age I am no longer that naive. The implications to a failed IQ test and recorded at the doctor can be great.

Imagine my shock to read here in KSP that in P1 schools are administering the IQ test secretly to identify weaker students! :yikes:

[phtthp]

DesertWind:

Chenonceau:

Of course, I do realize I have an attitude towards IQ testing that is not common. As a parent, I respect my own child's privacy enough to NOT test his/her IQ even though I can. I am naturally upset that schools see fit to test children's IQ instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt. But I do realize that this reaction is far from common. It comes from me working with such data all the time... psychological data misuse is quite common in Singapore because we lack legislation to protect the use of psychological data.

I have the same thinking, Chen. Just not too long ago I turned down flatly the suggestion from a doctor to send my boy for an IQ test \"just in case\". I don't see the need for it. The doctor reassured me that if the test result is not good, then we can just abandon it, can retake in a year's time. If the result is good, well and good. Lets just say at my age I am no longer that naive. The implications to a failed IQ test and recorded at the doctor can be great.

Imagine my shock to read here in KSP that in P1 schools are administering the IQ test secretly to identify weaker students! :yikes:

Yes, it is a shock to discover that MOE secretly conducted IQ test to identify weak pupils.

The recent IQ test that P1 kids sat for -
actually involved potential utility of the Raven's tests as screening tools for intellectual disabilities.

sometimes in life, i count it as a blessing not to know about certain things - than to know.

[GLORYmum]

Yes, it is a shock to discover that MOE secretly conducted IQ test to identify weak pupils.


The recent IQ test that P1 kids sat for -
actually involved potential utility of the Raven's tests as screening tools for intellectual disabilities.

sometimes in life, i count it as a blessing not to know about certain things - than to know.[/quote]




ignorance is bliss lah. :xedfingers: :xedfingers:

[Mychildren]

If the screening test is to identify those (who need special help in studies) & to provide help to them, its all right for me.


There are cases of students who are super hyper active, really cannot sit down in class. I’ve encountered a mother who had brought her girl out of school, because the teacher usually need to stop lesson & went out of class to find her girl. Her girl just wandered off to other places in school during school hours.

There are also weaker students who are asked to go back for some buddy reading programmes too.

If the programme is to assist the children in their development, why need to complain about it???

[PhoBIA]

[quote]A 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with Asperger syndrome, a high-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher than other individuals on Raven's tests. Another 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with classic autism, a low-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher in Raven's tests than in Wechsler tests. In addition, the individuals with classic autism were providing correct answers to the Raven's test in less time than individuals without autism, although erring as often.[/quote]


Extracted the above from wikipedia. Is the school trying to identify autistic children? :?
Shouldn't parents already identified when their children was around 3/4 years old?

[Nebbermind]

PhoBIA:

[quote]A 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with Asperger syndrome, a high-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher than other individuals on Raven's tests. Another 2007 study provided evidence that individuals with classic autism, a low-functioning autism spectrum disorder, score higher in Raven's tests than in Wechsler tests. In addition, the individuals with classic autism were providing correct answers to the Raven's test in less time than individuals without autism, although erring as often.

Extracted the above from wikipedia. Is the school trying to identify autistic children? :?
Shouldn't parents already identified when their children was around 3/4 years old?[/quote]I seriously doubt they are after those kids u mentioned but rather those who are generally slow learners. I'm sure during your pr school time there were some kids who just couldn't get out of the bottom classes (equivalent to the EM3) and it's not because they were ADHD or Autistic or Asperger etc. They were simply slower.