MOE not tweaking P1 registration
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rains:
It is not mentioned anywhere on the article that moe wants to reduce class size. Smaller class size is purely the wishful thinking of parents. I can say for sure that smaller class size will never happen unless the falling birthrate compels it to happen. I find it sad to the point of getting agitated that parents keeps wishing for smaller class size and thinking that moe would act on it. They definitely hear it but one thing is for sure: it will not happen. If that's going to happen, they will have to think of how to cut teachers' pay or give them more work to counter the 'impact' of smaller class size.
Never say never because hope is one way for us to live each day. Leadership changes and with each change we may be surprised, of course either way. I think it is perfectly ok to wish but as to whether that solves the tuition nation problem, I am not sure.
Your last statement seems to suggest that MOE feels that teachers are not doing enough for the amount they are being paid? Is that correct? If so, my view is that MOE is not so petty with the teachers as after all they are valued resources of MOE but they would probably want to see the results of teachers operating in smaller class size, if it is an effective change and whether it brings down the amount of tuition in the nation. -
rains:
It is not mentioned anywhere on the article that moe wants to reduce class size. Smaller class size is purely the wishful thinking of parents. I can say for sure that smaller class size will never happen unless the falling birthrate compels it to happen. I find it sad to the point of getting agitated that parents keeps wishing for smaller class size and thinking that moe would act on it. They definitely hear it but one thing is for sure: it will not happen. If that's going to happen, they will have to think of how to cut teachers' pay or give them more work to counter the 'impact' of smaller class size.
Take heart, even the Hong Kong goverment listens to their people. -
Yes. I agree that the kind of class size e.g. 25 per class... is quite wishful thinking at present. MOE made no such promise. I am happy for other reasons. Chiefly, I see some effort in better resourcing teachers. It's a start. Allows us to hope that we don't have an MOE too proud to take feedback... There is a statement of intent to make things better. But yes... little concrete and specific action has been announced.
I really am not hopeful for small class sizes any time soon. No such promise was made. I think it is easier to ensure that Teachers are adequately resourced than to increase class size. MOE expects too much of its Teachers. Holistic education remains a nice catch phrase if teachers don't have enough materials to teach with... and have to write their own curriculum in every school. If teachers have no time to mark compositions and give compositions to do every week ... then they can't even cope with a basic load let alone provide a holistic education.
Get the basics infrastructure for literary and numeracy right first before we demand more of MOE. It is already so stretched. Poor thing.
Rains is right. Small classes are wishful thinking at present. The ratio that was communicated seems to already have been the ratio set way before we asked for smaller classes. I know I would love smaller classes but am ok to concede that this may be too difficult for MOE to deliver. What I dun understand is why HSK would maintain that small class sizes are not empirically proven to contribute to better teaching when clearly... GEP has small classes.
Whilst I do not begrudge the GEP its privileges, MOE's word and action contradicts each other. It is puzzling that small classes are effective in GEP but not so for mainstream. Why? -
Chenonceau:
Maybe he forgot that GEP got small class size? He also forgot that LSP classes are kept small for the purpose of better quality and more effective teaching. Or maybe he was thinking along 'production line' for the mainstreamers?
What I dun understand is why HSK would maintain that small class sizes are not empirically proven to contribute to better teaching when clearly... GEP has small classes.
Whilst I do not begrudge the GEP its privileges, MOE's word and action contradicts each other. It is puzzling that small classes are effective in GEP but not so for mainstream. Why? -
Perhaps MOE should find out why their teachers are not staying on.
Even if someone from the ministry is reading KSP, it doesn’t mean they are doing anything, just yet. -
janet_lee88:
Maybe... big class sizes make it hard to teach well. Teachers dun feel a sense of pride since they cannot teach as well as they want to. When you begin to think your best efforts don't make it there... you quit... give up.Perhaps MOE should find out why their teachers are not staying on.
Even if someone from the ministry is reading KSP, it doesn't mean they are doing anything, just yet.
Maybe. -
Laura02:
Besides relying on the school and MOE to improve teacher-student ratios, I would like to see more parental involvement in schools. No, I don't expect parents to teach the academic subjects, but they can always help in other lessons in school. For example, parents can help in speech and drama classes, art classes, etiquette and character development classes, financial literacy classes, etc ...
Not when all the activities can only take place during office hours..
I have been trying to volunteer for activities with the PSG, but cannot find a single suitable slot. They don't even wanna do anything on Sat. -
Chenonceau:
But even the GEP schools have 40 for their mainstream classes. Same for schools such as MGS and SCGS which I recently found out they have pretty good quality passes %, if not wrong, on par with RGPS. How do they manage?
Maybe... big class sizes make it hard to teach well. Teachers dun feel a sense of pride since they cannot teach as well as they want to. When you begin to think your best efforts don't make it there... you quit... give up.janet_lee88:
Perhaps MOE should find out why their teachers are not staying on.
Even if someone from the ministry is reading KSP, it doesn't mean they are doing anything, just yet.
Maybe. -
Nebbermind:
One possibility is to test hard and so mainstream parents get tuition or teach at home? Another reason could be the flow over of GEP materials into high ability classes in GEP schools?
But even the GEP schools have 40 for their mainstream classes. Same for schools such as MGS and SCGS which I recently found out they have pretty good quality passes %, if not wrong, on par with RGPS. How do they manage?
Again... I think it's good that GEP has all this. No one is asking to take all this away from GEP. However, I still don't understand how HSK can say that small classes don't matter to quality teaching when GEP and LSP have small classes. -
DesertWind:
Wow, it is a noble goal. If MOE is able to supply so many teachers to the schools I am sure the work-life balance of the teachers and the teaching quality should improve. Then it may help to reduce the attrition rate of teachers as well as the work-load. [/quote]it's not a goal.. someone mentioned that MOE already said it ALREADY has T:S ratio of 1:18
so, a school which has 180 × 6 (P1 - P6) = 1080 students will have 60 teachers altogether? Schools really hv so many teachers ar?limlim:
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The student teacher ratio is the no of students to number of teachers. Not no of students in a class.
So, T in a school of 1080 students would be already 1080/18=60 ya?
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