Government, what you really want us to do?
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mamago:
no, it can be managed. we can't expect to be 100% totally switched off on sunday / saturday just because it is our day off, unless you are treating your home as a hotel, and your kids are the visitors to your hotel room3Boys:
The title of this thread should really be \"People, what do you really expect the g'ment to do?\"
People expect everything to be laid out on a platter. I luurve PM's riposte during the televised session last week to the young man who said he didn't want to get married. Well, our parents had far fewer resources and safety nets, never stopped them from having hopes and dreams and daring to try right?
Maid off every weekend so difficult to deal with meh?
If you are a SAHM, then it's not.... but if you are a FTWM you can't even have a decent day off on Sunday cos your FW helper is having hers.... in this case, a FTWM is a worse job than a FW domestic helper... this could just be one of the reasons that the yuppies generation are delaying their motherhood....
the maid can go out based on negotiated hours and provided don't create financial / legal troubles for the employers, and be trustworthy on the time out agreed. time to be home, be home -
verykiasu2010:
This we can agree.3Boys:
The title of this thread should really be \"People, what do you really expect the g'ment to do?\"
People expect everything to be laid out on a platter. I luurve PM's riposte during the televised session last week to the young man who said he didn't want to get married. Well, our parents had far fewer resources and safety nets, never stopped them from having hopes and dreams and daring to try right?
Maid off every weekend so difficult to deal with meh?
we have been through all these debates countless times. not going to go through it again. prefer to keep my peace with you than to argue another time
maid or no maid should not be an issue with marriage / parenthood
I understand your point about liability of badly behaved maids, and agree with you on that point, but I believe it is a minority and should not become the basis for a blanket exclusionary policy. -
3Boys:
unfortunately many kids still stay till late / wee hours of the morning, facebooking in the name of project, groups discussion etc etcksi:
Personally I like early hours for school. I used to go to school so early(by public bus) that there was no traffic jam and I could enjoy the wonderful fresh morning air and dew every day and watch the day break beautifully. It was a fantastic way to start my day every day. These are actually simple joys of life that kids today do not know how to appreciate because parents are not keen in early hours and cascade the sentiments to the kids.
Yeah, I agree! It forces kids to sleep early too, which is no bad thing. -
mamago:
My mum was a FTWM too, with NO maid. You think she had that much time off over the weekend? Kids can help out with housework too, you know?3Boys:
The title of this thread should really be \"People, what do you really expect the g'ment to do?\"
People expect everything to be laid out on a platter. I luurve PM's riposte during the televised session last week to the young man who said he didn't want to get married. Well, our parents had far fewer resources and safety nets, never stopped them from having hopes and dreams and daring to try right?
Maid off every weekend so difficult to deal with meh?
If you are a SAHM, then it's not.... but if you are a FTWM you can't even have a decent day off on Sunday cos your FW helper is having hers.... in this case, a FTWM is a worse job than a FW domestic helper... this could just be one of the reasons that the yuppies generation are delaying their motherhood....
In other words, the yuppie generation need everything laid out on a platter, a bit of sacrifice is a no-no. -
3Boys:
This we can agree.verykiasu2010:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]The title of this thread should really be \"People, what do you really expect the g'ment to do?\"
People expect everything to be laid out on a platter. I luurve PM's riposte during the televised session last week to the young man who said he didn't want to get married. Well, our parents had far fewer resources and safety nets, never stopped them from having hopes and dreams and daring to try right?
Maid off every weekend so difficult to deal with meh?
we have been through all these debates countless times. not going to go through it again. prefer to keep my peace with you than to argue another time
maid or no maid should not be an issue with marriage / parenthood
I understand your point about liability of badly behaved maids, and agree with you on that point, but I believe it is a minority and should not become the basis for a blanket exclusionary policy.[/quote]Thank you that we are in broader agreement. As it is now, there is no more blanket exclusionary policy but employers' liability are not lifted. Minister Gan Kim Yong (or is it now Chan Chun Sing?) better look into this. We cannot just please the NGO at Geneva at the expense of our sanity with regard to maid's employment terms. really xiao liao -
verykiasu2010:
unfortunately many kids still stay till late / wee hours of the morning, facebooking in the name of project, groups discussion etc etc[/quote]I forced mine to sleep early. Problem is she couldn't finish her homework as she returned home around 4pm twice to thrice a week. Next day teacher made her 罚站. Her classmates managed to finish theirs so comparatively she seems slacked in her completing her homework. But her classmates slept at 11+pm while my dd's bedtime is at 9+pm. Hence she's cute and chubby which is more important to me than completing homework :evil:3Boys:
[quote=\"ksi\"]Personally I like early hours for school. I used to go to school so early(by public bus) that there was no traffic jam and I could enjoy the wonderful fresh morning air and dew every day and watch the day break beautifully. It was a fantastic way to start my day every day. These are actually simple joys of life that kids today do not know how to appreciate because parents are not keen in early hours and cascade the sentiments to the kids.
Yeah, I agree! It forces kids to sleep early too, which is no bad thing. -
verykiasu2010:
This one I have to agree with vks2010 because having maid off on sunday is not the problem of not coping only but having to deal with maid's lack of responsibility, integrity etc...all these are the excruciating pain. I even let my maid go on long weekend holiday outside Singapore on her own.... In the end.... *sigh*....... I thought it was just one maid but in the end...I realised the mentality all similar..... This is a bigger issue....they need to be educated with work ethics first.
3Boys, you are right.3Boys:
The title of this thread should really be \"People, what do you really expect the g'ment to do?\"
People expect everything to be laid out on a platter. I luurve PM's riposte during the televised session last week to the young man who said he didn't want to get married. Well, our parents had far fewer resources and safety nets, never stopped them from having hopes and dreams and daring to try right?
Maid off every weekend so difficult to deal with meh?
But maid off every weekend and its related problems are a separate matter which had been debated to death. it is totally not difficult to deal, if the MOM can change the rules that make employer liable for all kinds of troubles created by maids being off, eg unwanted pregnancy and all its related cost and troubles
other troubles like unwanted visitors to employer's residence, maid scooting off in the dark of night to rv with lovers, endless chatting on phone during day time, neglect of duty, addicted to facebook, twitter, sms .....all arise from maids having off day.
we have been through all these debates countless times. not going to go through it again. prefer to keep my peace with you than to argue another time
maid or no maid should not be an issue with marriage / parenthood
In fact I would advocate that raising kids should not rely on maids at all. Better to have parents' or family network to help for adhoc and childcare for daily needs or one parent to look after if there are many kids to care for. If need help for housework, use part time help. -
3Boys:
this is the strawberry generation that is sprouting now. even NS is not changing them
In other words, the yuppie generation need everything laid out on a platter, a bit of sacrifice is a no-no.
they have the entitlement mentality set in at an early stage of their life, much like the 'little emperors' of China in recent decades -
sleepy:
Like that you can get her to talk to the teacher about how to manage this better. Long term 罚站 not very good perception on her. I had the same issue earlier and would ask dd to let the teacher know ahead that the hw would be delayed due to 'xxxxx' and ask for another day's grace.
I forced mine to sleep early. Problem is she couldn't finish her homework as she returned home around 4pm twice to thrice a week. Next day teacher made her 罚站. Her classmates managed to finish theirs so comparatively she seems slacked in her completing her homework. But her classmates slept at 11+pm while my dd's bedtime is at 9+pm. Hence she's cute and chubby which is more important to me than completing homework :evil: -
ksi:
I practise that too. Never hire a maid before.
In fact I would advocate that raising kids should not rely on maids at all. Better to have parents' or family network to help for adhoc and childcare for daily needs or one parent to look after if there are many kids to care for. If need help for housework, use part time help.
Grandma to help on ad hoc basis perhaps once or twice a month.
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