Government, what you really want us to do?

[limlim]

pirate:

But the people I know the norm is less than six months. 5 years to get PR for spouse is not the norm.

just curious.. those \"people\" that you know, do they happen to be civil servants, grassroots? PA etc..?

[pirate]

limlim:

Apparently, that Mr Salleh is not a citizen. How committed they are to SG is a question..

I don't know, it's not clear from the report. But I read it as apparently Mr Salleh is a Singapore citizen. If Mr Salleh is not a citizen, then the attempt to get his children registered as citizens is a non-starter. But if he is a citizen, then there must be some reason that is not reported. I am just lamenting Singapore journalism here. :razz:

The people I know are not civil servants, grassroots or PA etc. But the SC husbands (ie. sponsors) are all university graduates, and include lawyers, bankers, business executives etc. The wives have passports from Japan, S Korea, UK, Malaysia etc.

Must say I don't know anyone who applied who is a hawker, cleaner, taxi driver etc, or whose wife hold passports from places like Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.

[limlim]

If any of the parent is a SC, the child will be SC. No need to apply at all. Unless, they explicitly rejected the citizenship earlier.


I’m not too sure abt the case if the parent is subsequently converted to SC, but then, they should still be able to apply based on citizenship by descent.

That’s why I said apparently neither of the parent is a citizen.

Or, like what you said… some info not released…

[pirate]

I suspect the children were not born in Singapore, that's why must register. And probably because Mr Salleh never studied Singapore's Constitution (surprise!), he failed to do that within one year.


If one reads Articles 121, 122, 123 and 129 of the Singapore Constitution, one realizes that there are different classes of Singapore Citizens with different rights. It is not true that all citizens are equal. :faint:

[resgmom]

pirate:

I suspect the children were not born in Singapore, that's why must register. And probably because Mr Salleh never studied Singapore's Constitution (surprise!), he failed to do that within one year.


If one reads Articles 121, 122, 123 and 129 of the Singapore Constitution, one realizes that there are different classes of Singapore Citizens with different rights. It is not true that all citizens are equal. :faint:

I am curious and looked at the http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;ident=cb6a2b64-73d3-4839-a834-d31803e8a05f;query=Status%3Acurinforce%20Type%3Aact,sl%20Content%3A%22singapore%22%20Content%3A%22constitution%22;rec=1;resUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatutes.agc.gov.sg%2Faol%2Fsearch%2Fsummary%2Fresults.w3p%3Bquery%3DStatus%253Acurinforce%2520Type%253Aact,sl%2520Content%253A%2522singapore%2522%2520Content%253A%2522constitution%2522#P1X-.. There are different types of Singapore citizens (by birth, registration, etc), but I don't see any mentioning of the different rights? Please enlighten me?

[MMM]

Imami:

Indeed, I agree - what's the point if parents just dump them at grandparents' place? I hv two colleagues on such arrangement. The kid now three and a half, has been at grandma's place since birth. He only return to his home on weekends. During the weekdays, he stay at grandma's home.


I find this a very uncomfortable scenario.

Another colleague, due to give birth this dec, will also be having such arrangement - either leave at nanny's place from Sunday night to Friday evening or at grandma's place, same thing check in Sunday night check our fri evening.

When I asked her the reason, she said because she could not imagine a life of not enough sleep. She said, if her sleep quality/quantity is compromised, she can't work. When I ask her, haven't she expected this prior to planning for a child ( someone\" accident\" then have a child, this couple plan for one)? She said no, never thought of it. :faint:

I supposed each family has their own arrangement and there is no right or wrong so long as they are comfortable and think it is the best arrangement for all.

My 3 kids were also weekends kids when they were younger. They would stay over at my mum's place from sunday night to friday evening. We would visit them every evening. We did that due to logistics reasons. They only moved home when they are in P1. Have we as a family suffered in terms of bonding???? I don't think so. They are close to grand ma and to us as well. As parents, we are also very involved.

So I don't think having such \"weekends kids\" arrangement means the parents are \"irresponsible\".

[Imami]

MMM:

Imami:

Indeed, I agree - what's the point if parents just dump them at grandparents' place? I hv two colleagues on such arrangement. The kid now three and a half, has been at grandma's place since birth. He only return to his home on weekends. During the weekdays, he stay at grandma's home.


I find this a very uncomfortable scenario.

Another colleague, due to give birth this dec, will also be having such arrangement - either leave at nanny's place from Sunday night to Friday evening or at grandma's place, same thing check in Sunday night check our fri evening.

When I asked her the reason, she said because she could not imagine a life of not enough sleep. She said, if her sleep quality/quantity is compromised, she can't work. When I ask her, haven't she expected this prior to planning for a child ( someone\" accident\" then have a child, this couple plan for one)? She said no, never thought of it. :faint:

I supposed each family has their own arrangement and there is no right or wrong so long as they are comfortable and think it is the best arrangement for all.

My 3 kids were also weekends kids when they were younger. They would stay over at my mum's place from sunday night to friday evening. We would visit them every evening. We did that due to logistics reasons. They only moved home when they are in P1. Have we as a family suffered in terms of bonding???? I don't think so. They are close to grand ma and to us as well. As parents, we are also very involved.

So I don't think having such \"weekends kids\" arrangement means the parents are \"irresponsible\".

Did I mention right or wrong or responsible/irresponsible?

[MMM]

Imami:

Did I mention right or wrong or responsible/irresponsible?

You mentioned that you find it a uncomfortable scenario and you also gave examples of your colleagues who \"dump\" kids at grandparents' place.

I just wanted to offer alternative views and that it works for us. So this might be the best arrangement for some families.

[Funz]

MMM:

Imami:

Indeed, I agree - what's the point if parents just dump them at grandparents' place? I hv two colleagues on such arrangement. The kid now three and a half, has been at grandma's place since birth. He only return to his home on weekends. During the weekdays, he stay at grandma's home.


I find this a very uncomfortable scenario.

Another colleague, due to give birth this dec, will also be having such arrangement - either leave at nanny's place from Sunday night to Friday evening or at grandma's place, same thing check in Sunday night check our fri evening.

When I asked her the reason, she said because she could not imagine a life of not enough sleep. She said, if her sleep quality/quantity is compromised, she can't work. When I ask her, haven't she expected this prior to planning for a child ( someone\" accident\" then have a child, this couple plan for one)? She said no, never thought of it. :faint:

I supposed each family has their own arrangement and there is no right or wrong so long as they are comfortable and think it is the best arrangement for all.

My 3 kids were also weekends kids when they were younger. They would stay over at my mum's place from sunday night to friday evening. We would visit them every evening. We did that due to logistics reasons. They only moved home when they are in P1. Have we as a family suffered in terms of bonding???? I don't think so. They are close to grand ma and to us as well. As parents, we are also very involved.

So I don't think having such \"weekends kids\" arrangement means the parents are \"irresponsible\".

I agree. Do not be too judgemental.

I chose to put my kids with my parents from Sunday night to Friday, bringing them home only on Friday nights to spend the weekend with me until they were about 2+ yrs old. I do not live next door to my parents and I think it will be even more disruptive for the child to have to follow my schedule and be ferried here and there every morning and night. And if I over stretch myself, I will not only not be able to perform at work, I will not be able to give my child 100% when needed.

And like MMM, no compromise at all in bonding and the up side, my parents and my kids have a special bond too.

A lucky thing too that your friend did not overthink things else even lesser kids for Singapore.

[pirate]

resgmom:

pirate:

I suspect the children were not born in Singapore, that's why must register. And probably because Mr Salleh never studied Singapore's Constitution (surprise!), he failed to do that within one year.


If one reads Articles 121, 122, 123 and 129 of the Singapore Constitution, one realizes that there are different classes of Singapore Citizens with different rights. It is not true that all citizens are equal. :faint:

I am curious and looked at the http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/search/display/view.w3p;ident=cb6a2b64-73d3-4839-a834-d31803e8a05f;query=Status%3Acurinforce%20Type%3Aact,sl%20Content%3A%22singapore%22%20Content%3A%22constitution%22;rec=1;resUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatutes.agc.gov.sg%2Faol%2Fsearch%2Fsummary%2Fresults.w3p%3Bquery%3DStatus%253Acurinforce%2520Type%253Aact,sl%2520Content%253A%2522singapore%2522%2520Content%253A%2522constitution%2522#P1X-.. There are different types of Singapore citizens (by birth, registration, etc), but I don't see any mentioning of the different rights? Please enlighten me?

Read more carefully.

Examples:

Art 122(1)(b): Citizens by naturalization do not appear to be able to pass on citizenship by descent to their children. So, if both parents are citizens by naturalization, they must have their baby in Singapore if they want the child to be a Singapore citizen!!!

Art 122(2)(b)(ii): Citizens by registration cannot pass on citizenship to their children under certain circumstances.

Art 122(3): Citizens by descent cannot pass on citizensip to their children under certain circumstances.

Art 122(4): A citizen by descent will lose his/her citizenship if he/she does not or forgets to do something within 12 months of turning 21. Citizens by birth don't have to do this.

Article 122 uses language of \"a person born outside Singapore shall not be a citizen...\", but in effect it means the same thing as \"if you have a baby outside Singapore, your baby shall not be a citizen...\"

Art 129: Citizens by registration or naturalization can be deprived of citizenship under certain circumstances. Citizens by birth cannot.

:faint: