PSLE 2012 - Results Discussion
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slmkhoo:
Of course, I agree not all 5 fingers are same. However, we must give the same level of exposure (expected at PSLE exam) to all the pupils. Depending on their ability, they will perform in the exams. Whether we agree or not, there is a considerable amount of difference in the QUALITY of worksheets our pupils are doing (I am not sure about the quality of teaching) from a neighbourhood school and those ELITE schools. If there is a choice, of course, everyone wants to choose the ELITE school. If not, they want to match the standard = enrichment, buying trolleys of assessment books, taking leave/quitting the job to teach at home..........No end
It doesn't say that it will endeavour to have every child score the same (top) mark. The assumption of several (many) here seems to be that given the same opportunities, teachers, materials, environment etc, every child can do equally well. I can vouch for the fact that this is not the case - my 2 kids have identical environment, support, teaching etc etc available to them, but one consistently underperforms compared to the other by a large margin, even though she works harder and longer hours. I do support the idea of good provision and support for all, but what is best for any individual child also varies from child to child. If I provided for and coached my 2 kids the same way, either one would be dead bored or the other would be quite lost. So I come down on the side of some separation into ability groups. However, I would like to see these groupings re-assessed from year to year so a particular group is not singled out as 'smart' or 'slow' for the rest of their school lives.cherryc:
MOE states that :
Our goal in education is to provide every child with the opportunity to develop holistically and maximise his or her potential. In creating opportunities for all, MOE will ensure that every school is a good school.[/color]
Probably some will get more opportunities ? Education is a child's basic right . Sports , arts , you have a choice…. -
"I have spoken to my kid’s tutor earlier. He said some of his students in the top of their respective classes saw their T Score dropped significantly. The same happened to my kid as his result is below what he is capable of. This is a big surprise to the tutor and he said some of his students’ parents will be going back to their kids’ school to try to find out why the large difference in PSLE results and school results."
I think the school should also analyse their students’ PSLE in details to see where went wrong. Could it be the standard of the school’s prelim exam and PSLE is too far a gap? Some kids whom I know of did very well in their prelim but did not do as well in this year’s PSLE. I always thought that our Singapore schools ‘over-prepare’ our kids but it might not be true after all. -
cluelessmama:
Totally agree with you, CayennePepper.
Erm, many geppers also go through GAT for DSA. Just like those who apply through other domains. And i'm personally aware that not all geppers get COs; top schs are selective and are not as 'indiscriminating' as many parents presume.CayennePepper:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
Agree not targeting the GEP. Just that some top schools pre-selected these students using DSA on the assumption that they are truly gifted. It would be a fairer system if GEPpers are put to the test at PSLE to see how truly 'gifted' they are.
Definitely OT already!
For those who have said/implied in one or another that the GEP seems to have specially prepared the students for PSLE - you don't understand what GEP is about. For GEP students, the school usually doesn't really start preparing them for the PSLE until well after the 2nd term (only in July and for some schools, late July/early August) unlike their mainstream counterparts who have been geared towards the PSLE since day one of P6. In fact, they still have to submit their social studies portfoliio in July and take their social studies exams in August. GEP students may have been exposed to more challenging topics but usually some of these are out of the PSLE examination boundaries.
So, if a parents' hope is that their child gets into GEP so that will he or girl will be given \"special training\" become the top scorer for PSLE, then they will be in for a rude shock. This is because GEP is not about giving special treatment for a group of students so that they can score well for PSLE. GEP is about differentiated learning for this group for children who may become bored and disinterested in learning if they are are not mentally challenged.
It's not my intention to offend anyone in this forum. I wish that one will not make sweeping statement or unsubstantiated statement. Be fair to all - I'm sure that all the P6s have worked hard regardless of results. They deserved to be praised.[/quote]Think you missed the point. Nobody is saying GEP prepared the child to score top T scores or trying to downplay the effort put in by the parents or children for putting in effort in the GEP program. I think what the MP Mr Hri Kumar Nair and most parents are calling for DSA for GEP students to be scrap as it is seen as an advantage to skip PSLE which is a major educational stress point. Just like IP program should also be scrapped as O level is skipped.
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with this forum, the principals of some schools who didn’t want to announce the top scorers in their school, wonder how they feel. Parents ask they refused to tell. Come on be open minded.
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cluelessmama:
Totally agree with you, CayennePepper.
Erm, many geppers also go through GAT for DSA. Just like those who apply through other domains. And i'm personally aware that not all geppers get COs; top schs are selective and are not as 'indiscriminating' as many parents presume.CayennePepper:
[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
Agree not targeting the GEP. Just that some top schools pre-selected these students using DSA on the assumption that they are truly gifted. It would be a fairer system if GEPpers are put to the test at PSLE to see how truly 'gifted' they are.
Definitely OT already!
For those who have said/implied in one or another that the GEP seems to have specially prepared the students for PSLE - you don't understand what GEP is about. For GEP students, the school usually doesn't really start preparing them for the PSLE until well after the 2nd term (only in July and for some schools, late July/early August) unlike their mainstream counterparts who have been geared towards the PSLE since day one of P6. In fact, they still have to submit their social studies portfoliio in July and take their social studies exams in August. GEP students may have been exposed to more challenging topics but usually some of these are out of the PSLE examination boundaries.
So, if a parents' hope is that their child gets into GEP so that will he or girl will be given \"special training\" become the top scorer for PSLE, then they will be in for a rude shock. This is because GEP is not about giving special treatment for a group of students so that they can score well for PSLE. GEP is about differentiated learning for this group for children who may become bored and disinterested in learning if they are are not mentally challenged.
It's not my intention to offend anyone in this forum. I wish that one will not make sweeping statement or unsubstantiated statement. Be fair to all - I'm sure that all the P6s have worked hard regardless of results. They deserved to be praised.[/quote]Then why there is a difference in DSA system for GEP and mainstream students?? -
MKK:
It's getting more and more difficult to accept the results. Students who were performing so much lesser than her has outperformed her tremendously. What is wrong? Is it just exam luck? Should I get the papers to be assessed?
I Think it's the MT Tscore that makes the results very different. for example say there are 3 kids taking 3 different MT and assume their raw score is the same for psle. however, their MT T-score will be very different as the 3 sub- populations are different and the mean score and std deviation used in the calculation of the MT T-score will differ too. that's why students who used to come in the top 10 in prelims will suddenly be overtaken by others for psle. thus, MOE should use raw scores for MT instead of T-score. as for Maths, sc and eng we are talking about one population size and thus all students' T-score calculation will be based on same mean score and std deviation unlike MT T-score calculation . I hope MOE will rectify this problem soon. my daughter's friend got 3 A* for Maths, sc and eng but got an A for Hindi. Hindi sub-population is very small and if the mean score is high even if std deviation is low, her T-score for Hindi will bring her aggregate t-score down as compared to her friends taking other MT even if they had scored the same raw score. -
Why GEP students only need to produce some sort of projects thingy during the initial DSA process?
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octoberbaby:
Why GEP students only need to produce some sort of projects thingy during the initial DSA process?
What do you mean? Do you mean that there are schools which only asked for projects for DSA? -
cluelessmama:
octoberbaby:
Why GEP students only need to produce some sort of projects thingy during the initial DSA process?
What do you mean? Do you mean that there are schools which only asked for projects for DSA?
if you read the DSA thread. -
sinoboy:
There are a few DSA domains - GEP, academic, cca.
Then why there is a difference in DSA system for GEP and mainstream students??
Don't you think this (DSA domains) is a double-edged sword? If the schools only have one domain, then some will some it's unfair to lump all applications together. When there a few domains, to some, it is also deemed as unfair. I believe no one system can please everyone.
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