PSLE 2012 - Results Discussion

[Rational_Parent]

sujatha:

My daughter who was a consistent performer since P1 and was always on school top 3 until p4 and top 1 in P5 only scored 252 + 2. She works so hard every year sacrificing even her play time and holidays. Her score was very shocking to all of us as we all surely expected her to score 260 + 2 and to be among school top 3 as many students this year worked extremely hard. It took us 3 days to recover from this shock and I keep consoling myself telling that I want to appeal. My daughter keeps telling she did her exams well. My dd's mother tongue is Tamil. I am a layman when it comes to T score calculation.

1. Will my dd's tamil t-score be affected if the bottom most ranked girl or boy scored quite low?.
2. Is there any use of appealing as someone here said that ' what if something opposite happens' ?.

Take a hold and take stock of yourself. 252+2 is not exactly a mediocre score. Before you contemplate further actions, you might want to compare her t-score with her classmates to ascertain if your expectation is justified. Try asking her teachers for their opinion. It is a hard thing to do though now that schools are closed. If your daughter's t-score is still among the top few (say 5%) in her school then there is no reason to have doubts.

It is better to take it at face value and move on. Pursue if your daughter feels very strongly that something is really amiss given her t-score relative to her peers, but be prepared for the inevitable and perhaps even more pain.

[phtthp]

octoberbaby:

with this forum, the principals of some schools who didn't want to announce the top scorers in their school, wonder how they feel. Parents ask they refused to tell. Come on be open minded.

you know why Principals of such schools don't wish to disclose ?
because scared they malu, esp. when highest score is low. Then nobody want to enrol their child in that school. That's why many of them want it hush hush, want to sweep it under the carpet.

To them, if public don't know, if parents don't know ... better still. Many of them are so secretive - esp. when come to Quality percentage passes, subject by subject. They dare not post openly on their school website. They know that parents who are concerned for their kids will come to them as Head of school - hey P, what's wrong with this or that subject ?

come on man! if you're Principal of a school, you should be bold and open. What's there to hide ? If any subject in your school is particulary weak, then as Head of the school, you should go and find out, troubleshoot exactly where gone wrong, what went wrong ? is it the curriculum of that particular subject in your school not strong enought (yet to improve), or those teachers teaching that particular weak subject not motivated to teach pupils well, or any other reason(s) ?

Well, as Principal of a school, he /she should be bothered to go and find out. Not act as quiet as a mouse - dare not publish Quality %tage passes for their school. Some schools even worse - not a single webpage on any academic info is disclosed.

[phtthp]

GLORYmum:

orchid1109:

[quote=\"GLORYmum\"]Why until now no news from mgs??

MGS highest: 276 -- My friend's DD.

Seem like this year the girls school fare ok only and scgs is the lowest along bukit timah?[/quote]i do not think it is fair to conclude that SCGS score the lowest amongst \"All Girls\" schools, along Bukit Timah area.

what you said is merely comparing 3 apples out of a Total 3 baskets of (MGS, SCGS, RGPS) thousand girls along Bukit Timah road. Who are these 3 apples ? 3 Top girls from 3 schools.

if you want to pursue the truth,
we need to strip off the 3 classes of GEP girls from RGPS. (Total <= 75 GEP girls). Then strictly, compare apple to apple. ie. compare Mainstream to Mainstream. Compare what ?

compare their :-
- average mean T score
- Quality percentage pass(es) for 4 subjects

then the Truth speaks for itself - who is really the Top Girls' school ?

as for 3 classes of RGPS GEP girls (<= 75 girls), RGPS should compare with the rest of cohort from remaining 8 GEP centre. ie. compare GEP with GEP; then comparison make sense. After all, isn't the GEP structured curriculum the same, throughout these 9 GEP centre ?

[Rational_Parent]

CQmummy:

We are only concern that Dhs as 2nd choice might show that we are not sincere

No worries. Schools have no feelings; only humans do. In fact, it is the MOE system and not schools that will allocate places based on merit, and you can bet that that system also does not have feelings.

[ChiefKiasu]

phtthp:

octoberbaby:

with this forum, the principals of some schools who didn't want to announce the top scorers in their school, wonder how they feel. Parents ask they refused to tell. Come on be open minded.

you know why Principals of such schools don't wish to disclose ?
because scared they malu, esp. when highest score is low. Then nobody want to enrol their child in that school. That's why many of them want it hush hush, want to sweep it under the carpet.

To them, if public don't know, if parents don't know ... better still. Many of them are so secretive - esp. when come to Quality percentage passes, subject by subject. They dare not post openly on their school website. They know that parents who are concerned for their kids will come to them as Head of school - hey P, what's wrong with this or that subject ?

come on man! if you're Principal of a school, you should be bold and open. What's there to hide ? If any subject in your school is particulary weak, then as Head of the school, you should go and find out, troubleshoot exactly where gone wrong, what went wrong ? is it the curriculum of that particular subject in your school not strong enought (yet to improve), or those teachers teaching that particular weak subject not motivated to teach pupils well, or any other reason(s) ?

Well, as Principal of a school, he /she should be bothered to go and find out. Not act as quiet as a mouse - dare not publish Quality %tage passes for their school. Some schools even worse - not a single webpage on any academic info is disclosed.

This is not a fair comment. Principals do not publish results because they support the MOE move, and not because of the reasons mentioned above. I'm sure they are much more concerned with troubleshooting the performance of the students under their charge than we as parents would care to understand.

It is one thing to be unhappy about the way information is obfuscated, and how it is zealously executed by MOE staff. It is another to form conspiracy theories about why schools may prefer to obfuscate information.

[GLORYmum]

[quote="phtthp"]


if I made an offensive statement i apologise but my statement merely was referring to factual information gathered here about the top scorer where rgs 280 Mgs 276 and SCGS 271.

And I hv also asked more than once for the percentage of quality passes at these schools for clearer justifications but has yet to receive any.

[Twinkies]

phtthp:

octoberbaby:

with this forum, the principals of some schools who didn't want to announce the top scorers in their school, wonder how they feel. Parents ask they refused to tell. Come on be open minded.

you know why Principals of such schools don't wish to disclose ?
because scared they malu, esp. when highest score is low. Then nobody want to enrol their child in that school. That's why many of them want it hush hush, want to sweep it under the carpet.

To them, if public don't know, if parents don't know ... better still. Many of them are so secretive - esp. when come to Quality percentage passes, subject by subject. They dare not post openly on their school website. They know that parents who are concerned for their kids will come to them as Head of school - hey P, what's wrong with this or that subject ?

come on man! if you're Principal of a school, you should be bold and open. What's there to hide ? If any subject in your school is particulary weak, then as Head of the school, you should go and find out, troubleshoot exactly where gone wrong, what went wrong ? is it the curriculum of that particular subject in your school not strong enought (yet to improve), or those teachers teaching that particular weak subject not motivated to teach pupils well, or any other reason(s) ?

Well, as Principal of a school, he /she should be bothered to go and find out. Not act as quiet as a mouse - dare not publish Quality %tage passes for their school. Some schools even worse - not a single webpage on any academic info is disclosed.

Whoa! Such a statement! What a crux you are carrying, talking about easing stress?! Such an assumption that all pupils are equally intelligent and studious except the inequality of the SG teaching force?? Care to share your stand?

[sweet.025906girl]

phtthp:

octoberbaby:

with this forum, the principals of some schools who didn't want to announce the top scorers in their school, wonder how they feel. Parents ask they refused to tell. Come on be open minded.

you know why Principals of such schools don't wish to disclose ?
because scared they malu, esp. when highest score is low. Then nobody want to enrol their child in that school. That's why many of them want it hush hush, want to sweep it under the carpet.

To them, if public don't know, if parents don't know ... better still. Many of them are so secretive - esp. when come to Quality percentage passes, subject by subject. They dare not post openly on their school website. They know that parents who are concerned for their kids will come to them as Head of school - hey P, what's wrong with this or that subject ?

come on man! if you're Principal of a school, you should be bold and open. What's there to hide ? If any subject in your school is particulary weak, then as Head of the school, you should go and find out, troubleshoot exactly where gone wrong, what went wrong ? is it the curriculum of that particular subject in your school not strong enought (yet to improve), or those teachers teaching that particular weak subject not motivated to teach pupils well, or any other reason(s) ?

Well, as Principal of a school, he /she should be bothered to go and find out. Not act as quiet as a mouse - dare not publish Quality %tage passes for their school. Some schools even worse - not a single webpage on any academic info is disclosed.

:goodpost:

[sweet.025906girl]

Mama_ambitious:

How about TKPS and Ngee Ann primary? What's the quality passes and the number of students over 250?


Anyone knows?

Hi, my neighbour told me (but not verified source, so not sure) that Ngee Ann got more scorers scoring 250 and above compared to TKPS. I think its a norm every year

[wonderm]

Shocking! If this is true, wonder if our newspaper should have reported on this?