MOE to stop publishing names of top students?
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sinoboy:
You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?
Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. δΈθ¦ηε°η ε ₯θθ沑θ―ε»εγ
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octoberbaby:
Already happened, don't need to wonder, PSC does measure the non-academic attributes. I have seen students with 4 Distinctions with outstanding non-academic attributes were awarded psc scholarship over those with much more distinctions . Cannot be too low until 3B la. 4 distinctions r already very common in top schools.
PSC is still using academic results to choose their scholars.pirate:
This is just populist hogwash to placate the disgruntled voters. To change the direction to \"not overemphasize on academic results only\" would require more than the MOE. For starters, it requires the Prime Minister's Office to get on board. What MOE does by itself will come to nought if the the Public Service Commission still picks scholars and recruits officers for the Administrative Service based primarily on academic results. It will not change anything unless different career tracks for scholars and admin service officers are scrapped.
But believe me, if this happens, parents will be wondering how the PSC measures the non-academic attributes. How do you assign a score to measure objectively and vigourously \"compassion, character, attitude and values\"?
I wait for the day when Singapore gives out a President's Scholarship to somebody who only manages to score 3 Bs solely on the basis of \"extraordinary strength in compassion, character, attitude and values\". Then we will really see the crap hit the fan.
But, if burying one's head in the sand helps to relieve stress for some parents... -
concern2:
The percentage is around 37% - 40% I think. Apart from hearing Every school is a good school and disbanding the secondary schools' ranking, I don't think I have heard any news on the changesβ¦β¦..Actually I also don't quite understand about schools being niche schools like uniformed groups/band/chinese orchestras/sports, are they equipped with knowledge in these niche areas only and expect them to play for life ??? What about teaching of knowledge and other life skills ? To think of it, the rest of the 90% + are propping up the country β¦...Why are we worrying so much for those who are doing well? GEP, DSA....
How about those who are battling the Normal-Express Stream? How much efforts are there to boost the grades of the bottom tier so that overall standards are raised? Or does the T-score make it such that as long as you are those with lower grades, you DEFINITELY fall into the Normal stream, go to ITE, etc.? What is the percentage of pupils going to Normal stream compared to past years? Have there been improvement? -
cherryc:
Nobody cares about non-GEP/GEP background by the time one is in college.
... in law school or medicine faculty , you can't really differentiate who are from GEP according to my friends who are top lawyers, doctors or NUS lecturers in medicine faculty (MOE can give us more info on this) .
I don't have statistics to back me up, but I spent years, on and off, at one of these faculties and I interacted with a great number of undergraduates. Quite simply, the issue never arose. If you were accepted into these faculties, intellect is most assuredly not the determining factor! -
cherryc:
Yep, based on the PSLE 2012 result released by MOE, 63.1% go to Express. The rest you know lor. Can I deduce that the T-score is applied so that a little less than 2/3 of the cohort go to Express only? If you observe the statistics from 2008 -2012, the range is between 62.9 to 63.5% from MOE website.
The percentage is around 37% - 40% I think. Apart from hearing Every school is a good school and disbanding the secondary schools' ranking, I don't think I have heard any news on the changesβ¦β¦..Actually I also don't quite understand about schools being niche schools like uniformed groups/band/chinese orchestras/sports, are they equipped with knowledge in these niche areas only and expect them to play for life ??? What about teaching of knowledge and other life skills ? To think of it, the rest of the 90% + are propping up the country β¦...concern2:
Why are we worrying so much for those who are doing well? GEP, DSA....
How about those who are battling the Normal-Express Stream? How much efforts are there to boost the grades of the bottom tier so that overall standards are raised? Or does the T-score make it such that as long as you are those with lower grades, you DEFINITELY fall into the Normal stream, go to ITE, etc.? What is the percentage of pupils going to Normal stream compared to past years? Have there been improvement? -
Melodies:
But why must have 4 Distinctions? 3B very low meh? Passing grade is E, you know? How not to be stressed?
Already happened, don't need to wonder, PSC does measure the non-academic attributes. I have seen students with 4 Distinctions with outstanding non-academic attributes were awarded psc scholarship over those with much more distinctions . Cannot be too low until 3B la. 4 distinctions r already very common in top schools.
And how to get good results in non-academic things like sports, arts etc when the playing field is not even because the elites can afford professional coaching and lessons for their kids?
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CayennePepper:
...says the faculties (in Singapore) who never admit any student with 3B.
Nobody cares about non-GEP/GEP background by the time one is in college.cherryc:
... in law school or medicine faculty , you can't really differentiate who are from GEP according to my friends who are top lawyers, doctors or NUS lecturers in medicine faculty (MOE can give us more info on this) .
I don't have statistics to back me up, but I spent years, on and off, at one of these faculties and I interacted with a great number of undergraduates. Quite simply, the issue never arose. If you were accepted into these faculties, intellect is most assuredly not the determining factor!
The reason why non-GEP/GEP background never crop up is that it is obsolete information by the time they are in the faculties. -
pirate:
I am quoting an example (The young man with 4 distinctions n many other attributes ) that I know. He is from middle income without tuition n with all the non-academics activities which r all done in school. No external helps at all.
But why must have 4 Distinctions? 3B very low meh? Passing grade is E, you know? How not to be stressed?Melodies:
Already happened, don't need to wonder, PSC does measure the non-academic attributes. I have seen students with 4 Distinctions with outstanding non-academic attributes were awarded psc scholarship over those with much more distinctions . Cannot be too low until 3B la. 4 distinctions r already very common in top schools.
And how to get good results in non-academic things like sports, arts etc when the playing field is not even because the elites can afford professional coaching and lessons for their kids?
It's still possible to achieve yesteryear n now but I am not sure if it is still possible tomorrow. -
Melodies:
I am quoting an example (The young man with 4 distinctions n many other attributes ) that I know. He is from middle income without tuition n with all the non-academics activities that all done in school. No external helps at all.
I know. I am just being notti here. :evil:
[quote]They are still possible to achieve yesteryear n now but I am not sure if it is still possible tomorrow.[/quote]Honestly, I don't see what has changed so much with our educational system that it is no longer possible. -
pirate:
...says the faculties (in Singapore) who never admit any student with 3B.
Nobody cares about non-GEP/GEP background by the time one is in college.CayennePepper:
[quote=\"cherryc\"]
... in law school or medicine faculty , you can't really differentiate who are from GEP according to my friends who are top lawyers, doctors or NUS lecturers in medicine faculty (MOE can give us more info on this) .
I don't have statistics to back me up, but I spent years, on and off, at one of these faculties and I interacted with a great number of undergraduates. Quite simply, the issue never arose. If you were accepted into these faculties, intellect is most assuredly not the determining factor!
The reason why non-GEP/GEP background never crop up is that it is obsolete information by the time they are in the faculties.[/quote]Perhaps it's because the GEP ones are on scholarship and mostly in overseas uni?
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