MOE to stop publishing names of top students?

[bupashu]

sinoboy:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good. [/quote]why not follow the bumiputra priority policy of malaysia in the education sector ?

[3Boys]

cherryc:

Interesting insights:


http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1

Interesting. What is cause and what is effect? Is the relationship between NYPS students scoring well a causal or a casual one? I.e. NYPS caused the students to be good, or the students (or their parents) caused NYPS to be good?

And last but not least, how different is a child's outcome in LIFE different, had he attended NYPS or had he not?

My view is that the home environment is quite a bit more important, and I think in this blog post there are many elements of that too.

So my take (as always has been), fix the home before you fix the school. It's not so much how NYPS does it, its how NYPS' students' parents do it, IMO.

[bupashu]

sinoboy:

wonderm:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
You won't know the result because maybe it might be difficult to handle the truth and reality. So better not disclose?

Yes good to read it up and be aware of the developments. 不要等到病入膏肓没药医呀。

You know something the \"majority\" doesn't know? Or is this purely your speculation?

I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information, and looking at the response from authorities and hearing the experiences of people around me. Most parents are too busy coaching their kids, keep their jobs or buying their next property, so they did't bother whats happening around them. Things are changing very fast and a lot of us are sometimes caught off-guard if we didn't pay attention. 不见棺材不掉泪嘛。 [/quote]quick, share, what is the the big conspiracy ?

[pirate]

sinoboy:

Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

You make it sound as though those schools purposely set an unrealistic COP in order to keep students out. Has it occurred to you that the COP bar is set so high because there are more applicants who have achieved that COP than there are places open?

And then you make it sound as though getting in through DSA is so easy. If it were that easy, people won't be complaining that their kids couldn't get in through DSA.

[Sun_2010]

bupashu:

why not follow the bumiputra priority policy of malaysia in the education sector ?

Has that been the boon or bane of the Malaysian Education system?

[3Boys]

sinoboy:

Sun_2010:

[quote=\"sinoboy\"]
I know as much as the majority knows by piecing together publicly available information you mean the threading heading? , and looking at the response from authorities which response? and hearing the experiences of people around me What experience? Can Share ?

there goes again...
vague reference, no facts or numbers ,own interpretation but very definite conclusions which you will not put down in words but hint hint , nudge nudge ...Maybe I am the only one not getting it , maybe I am dumber I realise.
So can you or some kind soul enlighten me?

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good. [/quote]Have you considered that it is perhaps your stance that is defensive and stemming from ignorance?

It's not about vested interests, Sun_2010 has an extremely valid point. There are plenty of 'ghosts' out there, rumours, hearsay. Just because someone says 'show me the proof', does not mean that someone is stonewalling.

Why this fixation on newcomers? So what if there are foreigners in our schools? Are we not a global economy to begin with?

PSLE is just that, scores are there as a benchmark, spur people on a little by understanding and seeing what excellence in academics is, it's not an end all and be all, not by a long shot.

[bupashu]

3Boys:

cherryc:

Interesting insights:


http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1

Interesting. What is cause and what is effect? Is the relationship between NYPS students scoring well a causal or a casual one? I.e. NYPS caused the students to be good, or the students (or their parents) caused NYPS to be good?

And last but not least, how different is a child's outcome in LIFE different, had he attended NYPS or had he not?

My view is that the home environment is quite a bit more important, and I think in this blog post there are many elements of that too.

So my take (as always has been), fix the home before you fix the school. It's not so much how NYPS does it, its how NYPS' students' parents do it, IMO.

Lee Kuan Yew attended Telok Kurau English School and became the founding father of modern Singapore

Lee Hsien Loong attended NYPS and is now the PM of Singapore

same outcome, diff school

[Melodies]

cherryc:

By Lee Wei Ling


That the PSLE now causes so much stress is largely because the results are presented not only as grades for each subject but also as a T-score - an aggregate score derived from comparison with the scores of all the other candidates. The T-score feels like a psychological threat because admission to a school of one's choice is decided mainly, although not solely, by it.

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There are ways to make the differentiation of the results less precise, hence less stressful. Currently, posting to secondary schools is based on the aggregate T-score taken to two decimal places! If we could have a system where candidates are divided into bands (for example, between 130 and 140), with those scoring above a certain range (say 250 or 260) corresponding to the top decile of students, there would be no need to differentiate them further.
This idea is fantastic!
It will be good that all PSLE results are divided into different band groups such that A* with those scoring top 1-3% (can be determined by T-score but blackout the T-score), A1 group for those scoring top 3%-10%, A2 group for those scoring top 10-20%, B group for those scoring to 20%-40% and C for those scoring top 40-60% and so on and so forth...

For the purpose of posting, all students within the same band would stand an equal chance of getting into particular schools. If there were more applicants than places available in those schools, entry might be based on balloting. Such a procedure would have the advantage of spreading out talented students among a larger group of schools than now. Now, all schools are truly good schools

At present, academically strong students are accepted into a limited number of elite schools. They tend to come from middle-class or upper middle-class homes. As a result, they are unaware that many Singaporean students come from poorer homes, have to do housework and may also have to help out at hawker stalls or do other odd jobs to supplement the family income.


For purpose of posting, instead of putting all students within the same band into the same particular schools, I'm thinking of every school in Singapore offers enrollment for these 5 bands (e.g. ranging from A* to C group for schools offer express classes). If there were more applicants than places available in those schools, entry might be based on distance and balloting. Such a procedure would have the advantage of spreading out talented students to all schools and we will have students from all walks of life - achieve diversity goal and our dc will benefit from this. Those late boomer will also have some rooms to make it to the top class together with those academically strong studetns

Still, I believe the PSLE serves a purpose. First, the T-score is an objective measure to help place students in a variety of schools according to their academic ability. Second, it also helps us channel students into the stream most appropriate for them - Express, Normal (Academic), Normal (Technical) and so on.

Yes, the examination will cause some stress no matter what we do. But a little stress is not a bad thing. After all, we will all encounter some stress some time in our lives. We might as well get used to it while we are young.

I fully agree! Some stress is good to drive people to work hard but not to the current extend of having our poor dc study all the time until no time for others.

The writer is director of the National Neuroscience Institute.

Those highlighted in green (above) are my suggestion. What is your take for the purpose of discussion?

[wonderm]

cherryc:

Interesting insights:


http://petunialee.blogspot.sg/2012/11/how-does-nyps-do-it.html?m=1

My take on PSLE success factors:

student (aptitude and attitude) + school teaching + home support

The formula is additive, if any part is low (would not be zero in real life), it is still possible to achieve good outcome.

[Melodies]

jtoh:

sinoboy:

Ok you win.

Hope we don't see newcomers flooding our school system at the expense of the locals. Hope changes can be made to entering schools with a lower than COP score using DSA for GEP, IP program in some JCs that discriminate against good students by asking for 3 points with 6 subjects. :scratchhead:

If not the children slowly crawl their way up to uni in ITE or Poly .. provided they don't pick up bad habits and fall by the wayside in the process. The kids can take the easier IB route, but not sure our kids are suitable for that system.

Sweeping changes are required, but with lots of defensive stance from either ignorance or vested interests, but I'm not sure if any non-superficial changes will ever be made. I'm out of here for good.

I refer to your statement above, highlighted in red. How are these JCs discriminating against good students? It's demand and supply of places available in a JC, any JC. ALL students can use their bonus points up to a max of 4 points (2 for CCA, 2 for affliation, 2 for HMT) for entry into ANY JC. Some JCs are deemed more popular than others and hence are more popular, driving the COP down. There's no discrimination. A matter of economics. Demand and supply.

Have you considered the situation that some schools are already filled up with existing IP students and have no vacancy for those bright students who have scored well in O level? It is true to some extent.