COP 2012 - For Secondary Schools in 2013

[linden2000]

What are the likely COPs for the new IPs like CH, TJC and SJI?

[AnneY]

Instead of using total no of students who sat for PSLE, may like to use the number of students who passed and were eligible for express stream. This percentage is given in MOE’s press release every year. 2008 cut off points were "historical high" for some schools, like 265 for RGS.

I believe cut off points will rise this year as 1000+ more students are eligible for Express compared to last year, and EESIS cut off is higher.

[WeiHan]

jtoh:

WeiHan:

MOE seems to be making unhelpful changes.

I thought it was always median only? Or did there used to be mean also? Can't remember.

There use to be average also. i am very sure about that. Look at the table, kiasu parent has computed and it contains average data.

[wonderm]

WeiHan:

jtoh:

[quote=\"WeiHan\"]

MOE seems to be making unhelpful changes.

I thought it was always median only? Or did there used to be mean also? Can't remember.

There use to be average also. i am very sure about that. Look at the table, kiasu parent has computed and it contains average data.[/quote]Personally, I am more interested in median than mean. It would also be interesting to know the data points if DSA students were included since many of these schools DSA 50% of their Sec 1 intake.

[jtoh]

wonderm:

Personally, I am more interested in median than mean. It would also be interesting to know the data points if DSA students were included since many of these schools DSA 50% of their Sec 1 intake.

Yes, it would be interesting to see the complete data points, with the DSA students included.

I have my doubts that schools take up to 50% of their intake thru DSA, with the exception of specialty schools like NUSH, SST and SOTA etc. I think the numbers are much lower based on my simple observation and calculation.

[wonderm]

jtoh:

wonderm:

Personally, I am more interested in median than mean. It would also be interesting to know the data points if DSA students were included since many of these schools DSA 50% of their Sec 1 intake.

Yes, it would be interesting to see the complete data points, with the DSA students included.

I have my doubts that schools take up to 50% of their intake thru DSA, with the exception of specialty schools like NUSH, SST and SOTA etc. I think the numbers are much lower based on my simple observation and calculation.[/quote]

Really? that's interesting. I got the idea that they take in 50% DSA because some of the schools told the parents during their Open Houses or briefing. For those schools which give out both CO and WL, I thought the final DSA numbers are close to, if not exactly, 50%.

If the schools do not find enough \"quality\" applicants during DSA phase to fill up 50% of intake, I think it is better that they leave more places for the S1 posting.

[jtoh]

wonderm:

Really? that's interesting. I got the idea that they take in 50% DSA because some of the schools told the parents during their Open Houses or briefing. For those schools which give out both CO and WL, I thought the final DSA numbers are close to, if not exactly, 50%.

If the schools do not find enough \"quality\" applicants during DSA phase to fill up 50% of intake, I think it is better that they leave more places for the S1 posting.

I did say it was based on my simple observation and calculation. Schools generally do not fill up their DSA vacancies for the sake of filling them up. If there aren't enough 'quality' applicants, the DSA spaces will be left vacant for S1 Central Posting.

[wonderm]

jtoh:

wonderm:

Really? that's interesting. I got the idea that they take in 50% DSA because some of the schools told the parents during their Open Houses or briefing. For those schools which give out both CO and WL, I thought the final DSA numbers are close to, if not exactly, 50%.

If the schools do not find enough \"quality\" applicants during DSA phase to fill up 50% of intake, I think it is better that they leave more places for the S1 posting.

I did say it was based on my simple observation and calculation. Schools generally do not fill up their DSA vacancies for the sake of filling them up. If there aren't enough 'quality' applicants, the DSA spaces will be left vacant for S1 Central Posting.

I am glad they do that.

[anxious father]

anxious father:

Will COPs of HCI, NJC, RVHS, RI and DHS go up or down?


Here are the background information of their PLSE COP (Lower), Upper and Median. I use EESIS (COP of top 3%) as the reference.

Note: I got the information on pupil numers, Lower, Upper and Median of PSLE for each school from MOE and EESIS from this forum.
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HCI (includes HML)
Year Pupil Lower Upper Median EESIS
2009 49,856 259 283 263 263
2010 48,541 257 281 261 261
2011 45,049 257 273 260 260
2012 45,261 258 274 261 260
2013 48,333 ? ? ? 262

NJC
Year Pupil Lower Upper Median EESIS
2009 49,856 259 278 261 263
2010 48,541 257 281 260 261
2011 45,049 257 266 259 260
2012 45,261 258 269 259 260
2013 48,333 ? ? ? 262

RVHS (includes HML)
Year Pupil Lower Upper Median EESIS
2009 49,856 254 272 257 263
2010 48,541 251 274 256 261
2011 45,049 253 275 256 260
2012 45,261 254 270 257 260
2013 48,333 ? ? ? 262

RI
Year Pupil Lower Upper Median EESIS
2009 49,856 262 284 267 263
2010 48,541 259 283 265 261
2011 45,049 259 275 263 260
2012 45,261 261 273 264 260
2013 48,333 ? ? ? 262

DHS (includes HML)
Year Pupil Lower Upper Median EESIS
2009 49,856 260 282 262 263
2010 48,541 258 285 261 261
2011 45,049 257 275 260 260
2012 45,261 256 273 259 260
2013 48,333 ? ? ? 262
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Opinion 1: The COPs to these top IP schools will go up as
1) There are more pupils than last year (but it is comparable to 2009/2010).
2) There is higher EESIS this year.

Opinion 2: The COPs to some of these top IP schools might go down as there are more IP schools this year and they will, more or less, attract some of the top scorers (T-score>260)

My opinion: The COPs to these school may go up 1 mark.

What is your opinion?

POSITIONS IN IP SCHOOLS
Boys
RI: 450
HCI : 450
ACSI : 180
Catholic High: 170 (start from 2013)
SJI : 125 (start from 2013)
Victoria : 160
Subtotal: 1535 (DSA, ≤768; Available for S1, >767)

Girls
MGS : 60 (start from 2013)
SCGS : 120 (start from 2013)
St Nicholas : 170 (start from 2013)
Cedar Girls : 160
Nanyang Girls : 400
RGS : 450
Subtotal: 1360 (DSA, ≤680; Available for S1, >680)

Co-ed
TJC : 150 (start from 2013)
Dunman High : 400
NJC : 200
NUS High : 150-170 (almost full by DSA)
River Valley High : 400
Subtotal: 1320 (DSA, ≤745; Available for S1, > 575)

Total: 4215 (start from 2013, 795; DSA, ~2193; Available for S1, > 2022)

Top 3% pupils in 2013, 1150 (COP, 262 based on EESIS)
Top 5% pupils in 2013, 2417
Top 10% pupils in 2013, 4833

[Dreamgear]

wonderm:

jtoh:

[quote=\"wonderm\"]

Personally, I am more interested in median than mean. It would also be interesting to know the data points if DSA students were included since many of these schools DSA 50% of their Sec 1 intake.

Yes, it would be interesting to see the complete data points, with the DSA students included.

I have my doubts that schools take up to 50% of their intake thru DSA, with the exception of specialty schools like NUSH, SST and SOTA etc. I think the numbers are much lower based on my simple observation and calculation.[/quote]

Really? that's interesting. I got the idea that they take in 50% DSA because some of the schools told the parents during their Open Houses or briefing. For those schools which give out both CO and WL, I thought the final DSA numbers are close to, if not exactly, 50%.

If the schools do not find enough \"quality\" applicants during DSA phase to fill up 50% of intake, I think it is better that they leave more places for the S1 posting.[/quote]Well there will be some with multiple COs and some who gave up the CO, so likely not to be 50%.