200 SMRT bus drivers refuse to go to work over pay issue
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winchester:
wrong. They are bound by contract.. cannot quit as they like unlike the m'sians.
yup. if don't like, they should quit en masse, not strike. that is smarter and totally legal, and more bargaining power. -
For China worker, employer has to pay for their air-tickets at the end of 2 years contract (like maid). Hence, I believe, their benefit will sure different from malaysian.
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limlim:
If she is talking abt companies like foxconn.. she may not be too far off.. :evil:[/quote]Ya lah. Foxconn employs workers from various ulu parts of provinces.
Been to a PRC home recently? Unless the idea is to employ PRC drivers from really ulu parts of rural China, the image in your mind of the PRC home is seriously obsolete.pirate:
[quote=\"octoberbaby\"]These PRC drivers if they are working in their own country, the accomodation is far worst than current Woodland dorm.
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ruohoo97:
Been to a PRC home recently? Unless the idea is to employ PRC drivers from really ulu parts of rural China, the image in your mind of the PRC home is seriously obsolete.pirate:
[quote=\"octoberbaby\"]These PRC drivers if they are working in their own country, the accomodation is far worst than current Woodland dorm.
SMRT should not listen to them. Just give them as per it is. Take it or leave it.
absolutely, just went to China this year, What an eye opening, I would say, the average Singaporeans are not better off than the average Chinese.[/quote]China is vast. What you see can be representative of living condition of only a small portion of the population.
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JJ1111:
For China worker, employer has to pay for their air-tickets at the end of 2 years contract (like maid). Hence, I believe, their benefit will sure different from malaysian.
and S$5000 security bond per PRC worker -
Let's see what a foreign worker experiences and thinks.
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_032d3f6e0101db11.html
一般新加坡中国外劳可以赚多少钱 (2012-12-04 01:58:02)转载▼
有报道说,此次SMRT事件的导火线是加班问题。
那么加班对外劳有多重要，为什么给不给加班就能让外劳疯狂，为什么用“给不给加班”就能把中国外劳管理顺当。
有人说工资低点不要紧，多给点加班就行，每次回国探亲总要带点礼物给上司，为的就是多点加班。
加班为什么重要？？？
一般低文化外劳操作工，底薪在，550----1200之间，工作时间12小时或者8小时。&当然我举例是还是比较正规的企业，一些连续几月不休息，还拿不到1200每月的垃圾公司不在范围内。
如果700底薪，12小时轮班，没有加班，加上轮班津贴等，一个月也就拿1200左右
如果1200底薪，8小时，没有加班，也就1300左右。（8小时一般没有津贴）
由于工作准证，不可以兼责，所以休息，也就休息。
月收入1300怎么花？？
1.中介费一般4000到10000新币不等，我们取中间数，6500新币、也就是说一般合约两年，那么一个月先要还270中介费。
2.房租，如果劳工宿舍，应该270左右一人，像SMRT一样近10人挤在一起，外人不可以进入，进出可能检查物品。而且劳工宿舍根本无法满足。
另一种途径，合租政府组屋，一般5房室，3000一月。政府规定不超过9人。签两年合约要附一月租金做中介费。那么一人房租水电约400元。
3生活开支，电话，交通卡，吃饭等。一月至少500.
中介费270.房租400.生活费，500.合计===1170.
也就是说没有“加班”你两年白做。只有加班才是赚的钱。加班必须视企业情况而定，
看完这些，所有人，包括新加坡人，你也许明白了，加班对中国劳工有多重要。为什么会笨到去罢工，为什么政府组屋会住20个人，
当然这些不是最差的。本人初来新加坡在一家上市公司，底薪550，12小时。为了高点薪水，申请到药水部门，申请晚班，多50补贴，一个月，班加到满，也才1300。你说公司多加班犯法么，我知道。可你敢举报吗，你不要钱吗？我们为什么而来。
其实新加坡的法律政策，很多都是很好的，对外劳负责任有详细的条文，可惜被很多公司曲解了，潜规则了。
李叶明先生在微博，发起讨论，“当外籍劳工不再廉价”本人在新多年也是从最低外劳爬起来的，我只能提供现在廉价外劳的现状。这些是中等水平，700左右底薪是许多欧美日企业的中国操作工轮班标准，其他，小型本地企业就不论了。。
如果你问我想对这次罢工事件说些什么。我，绝对不支持罢工的行为。但我支持他们发出的声音。恳求政府，企业，大使馆，听到他们的声音，尊重他们的声音。把罢工扼制在萌芽阶段。简化外劳和政府沟通的程序，普及外劳最基本劳动权益保障，保护外劳最基本的投诉权利。尊重外劳提出的诉求。同工同酬不是外劳所一定追求的，不符合新加坡实际情况。在同工不同酬时，企业要对雇员尊重和解释。
他们的声音是什么------
我们来中国各地，同样流着华人血脉．我们东挪西借支付高额的中介费用．我们不远千里，离开亲爱的家人，离开体弱多病父母．离开相依为命的丈夫．离开需要母亲的孩子．一切同你们的祖先的当初漂海来南洋的愿望一样，让家活的象一个家，让我们的后代不再是穷人．我们来了．我们工作不辞劳苦．我们毫无怨言．我们把汗水全洒在这里．我们把希望寄托在这里，我们输不起，我们寄托着各种相似之苦，我们很多人两年才能回去一次，全家的嘴等着我们这双手，每当孩子把电话当妈妈叫．每当母亲说，孩子苦就回来吧，你们也许同样身为人母．你却体会不到这样的感觉．我们的泪水只有躲在厕所里流淌，我们只能哽咽着对母亲说，没事，这里全是华人，对我们全很好．然而有时候．我们总因为各种原因，开除。劝退，被骗，等，我们必须离开，这时，我们连东搓西借的本钱还没争回来就要被逼走．虽是逼可却没用刀．但刀伤的只是皮肤，这却伤的我们的心；
有时候，每当听到同胞被无比低的薪水骗来，我就心揪难过，亲们，黑心中介，贪心老板。你们信佛吗，你们相信报应吗．你们信耶酥吗？你们相信惩罚吗．如果你们有一点灵犀，你们一定会感觉到我们的心在流血．你一定看到那对着电话喊妈妈的孩子充满期待的目光．你一定看到那家里可怜的老人．．．当然，我们不需要可怜和施舍．因为我们同样跟过去闯南洋的前辈一样的有骨气，因为我是中国人．我们不怕苦，我是用勤劳的双手挣钱。
请给我们一点尊严，尊重，请不要把中国人三次字凉在一边。我们期待“融入狮城”
注，文中如有不妥，违法相关法律，或数据有出入，请告知本人。即改正。如需引用本文请通知本人。
-我不是好先生 12年12月4日凌晨 -
Cheval:
It would be good if someone can translate this into English for the benefit of those who can't read in Chinese.Let's see what a foreign worker experiences and thinks.
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_032d3f6e0101db11.html
一般新加坡中国外劳可以赚多少钱 (2012-12-04 01:58:02)转载▼
有报道说,此次SMRT事件的导火线是加班问题。
那么加班对外劳有多重要，为什么给不给加班就能让外劳疯狂，为什么用“给不给加班”就能把中国外劳管理顺当。
有人说工资低点不要紧，多给点加班就行，每次回国探亲总要带点礼物给上司，为的就是多点加班。
加班为什么重要？？？
一般低文化外劳操作工，底薪在，550----1200之间，工作时间12小时或者8小时。&当然我举例是还是比较正规的企业，一些连续几月不休息，还拿不到1200每月的垃圾公司不在范围内。
如果700底薪，12小时轮班，没有加班，加上轮班津贴等，一个月也就拿1200左右
如果1200底薪，8小时，没有加班，也就1300左右。（8小时一般没有津贴）
由于工作准证，不可以兼责，所以休息，也就休息。
月收入1300怎么花？？
1.中介费一般4000到10000新币不等，我们取中间数，6500新币、也就是说一般合约两年，那么一个月先要还270中介费。
2.房租，如果劳工宿舍，应该270左右一人，像SMRT一样近10人挤在一起，外人不可以进入，进出可能检查物品。而且劳工宿舍根本无法满足。
另一种途径，合租政府组屋，一般5房室，3000一月。政府规定不超过9人。签两年合约要附一月租金做中介费。那么一人房租水电约400元。
3生活开支，电话，交通卡，吃饭等。一月至少500.
中介费270.房租400.生活费，500.合计===1170.
也就是说没有“加班”你两年白做。只有加班才是赚的钱。加班必须视企业情况而定，
看完这些，所有人，包括新加坡人，你也许明白了，加班对中国劳工有多重要。为什么会笨到去罢工，为什么政府组屋会住20个人，
当然这些不是最差的。本人初来新加坡在一家上市公司，底薪550，12小时。为了高点薪水，申请到药水部门，申请晚班，多50补贴，一个月，班加到满，也才1300。你说公司多加班犯法么，我知道。可你敢举报吗，你不要钱吗？我们为什么而来。
其实新加坡的法律政策，很多都是很好的，对外劳负责任有详细的条文，可惜被很多公司曲解了，潜规则了。
李叶明先生在微博，发起讨论，“当外籍劳工不再廉价”本人在新多年也是从最低外劳爬起来的，我只能提供现在廉价外劳的现状。这些是中等水平，700左右底薪是许多欧美日企业的中国操作工轮班标准，其他，小型本地企业就不论了。。
如果你问我想对这次罢工事件说些什么。我，绝对不支持罢工的行为。但我支持他们发出的声音。恳求政府，企业，大使馆，听到他们的声音，尊重他们的声音。把罢工扼制在萌芽阶段。简化外劳和政府沟通的程序，普及外劳最基本劳动权益保障，保护外劳最基本的投诉权利。尊重外劳提出的诉求。同工同酬不是外劳所一定追求的，不符合新加坡实际情况。在同工不同酬时，企业要对雇员尊重和解释。
他们的声音是什么------
我们来中国各地，同样流着华人血脉．我们东挪西借支付高额的中介费用．我们不远千里，离开亲爱的家人，离开体弱多病父母．离开相依为命的丈夫．离开需要母亲的孩子．一切同你们的祖先的当初漂海来南洋的愿望一样，让家活的象一个家，让我们的后代不再是穷人．我们来了．我们工作不辞劳苦．我们毫无怨言．我们把汗水全洒在这里．我们把希望寄托在这里，我们输不起，我们寄托着各种相似之苦，我们很多人两年才能回去一次，全家的嘴等着我们这双手，每当孩子把电话当妈妈叫．每当母亲说，孩子苦就回来吧，你们也许同样身为人母．你却体会不到这样的感觉．我们的泪水只有躲在厕所里流淌，我们只能哽咽着对母亲说，没事，这里全是华人，对我们全很好．然而有时候．我们总因为各种原因，开除。劝退，被骗，等，我们必须离开，这时，我们连东搓西借的本钱还没争回来就要被逼走．虽是逼可却没用刀．但刀伤的只是皮肤，这却伤的我们的心；
有时候，每当听到同胞被无比低的薪水骗来，我就心揪难过，亲们，黑心中介，贪心老板。你们信佛吗，你们相信报应吗．你们信耶酥吗？你们相信惩罚吗．如果你们有一点灵犀，你们一定会感觉到我们的心在流血．你一定看到那对着电话喊妈妈的孩子充满期待的目光．你一定看到那家里可怜的老人．．．当然，我们不需要可怜和施舍．因为我们同样跟过去闯南洋的前辈一样的有骨气，因为我是中国人．我们不怕苦，我是用勤劳的双手挣钱。
请给我们一点尊严，尊重，请不要把中国人三次字凉在一边。我们期待“融入狮城”
注，文中如有不妥，违法相关法律，或数据有出入，请告知本人。即改正。如需引用本文请通知本人。
-我不是好先生 12年12月4日凌晨
If I were to do the translation, the translated script may appears next year..... :siam: -
how much does it cost roughly, to rent one simple bedroom (say, the cheapest) - if SMRT management did not provide accomodation for these China bus drivers ?
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MR06:
It would be good if someone can translate this into English for the benefit of those who can't read in Chinese.
If I were to do the translation, the translated script may appears next year..... :siam:google translate:
Reported that the the SMRT events triggered by overtime.
How important overtime foreign labor, why to not give overtime will be able to let foreign workers crazy, why \"overtime\" will be able to not give to foreign labor management smoothly.
Some people say that low wages does not matter much to the point of overtime on every visit home always a little gift to the boss is multi-point overtime.
[B] overtime Why is this important? ? ? [/ B]
The general low culture foreign workers operatives floor ,550 ---- 1200, the working time of 12 hours or 8 hours. & Of course my example is still relatively informal enterprises, some for several months without a break, and also can not get the 1200 monthly garbage company is not in the range.
If 700 basic salary, 12-hour shifts, no overtime, plus shift allowance month also took around 1200
1200 base salary, 8 hours, no overtime, also around 1300. (8 hours is generally no allowance)
The work permit may not concurrently responsible for the rest, there is rest.
The monthly income of 1300 how to spend? ?
Intermediary fees are generally 4000 to $ 10000 new ranges, we have to take the middle number, 6500 new currency, which means that the general contract for two years, then a month need to also 270 agency fee.
Rent if the labor quarters, should the 270 or so people, like SMRT nearly 10 people huddled together, outsiders could not enter, and out may check items. And labor quarters simply can not meet.
Another way, rented HDB flats generally 5 atrioventricular 3000 January. The Government shall not exceed nine people. Signed two-year contract to be attached to the January rent do you charge. One rent and utilities is about $ 400.
3 living expenses, telephone, transportation cards, eating. January, at least 500.
Intermediary fees 270 rent 400 cost of living, 500 total === 1170.
That is not \"overtime\" you two years to waste. Only overtime is earned. Overtime must be depending on the situation of the enterprise,
After reading these, everyone, including Singaporeans, you may understand, how important overtime of the Chinese labor. Why would be stupid enough to go on strike, why HDB will live 20 individuals,
Of course, these are not the worst. I first came to Singapore in a listed company, the basic salary of 550,12 hours. Order high point of the salary, apply to the medicine department, apply for evening, more than 50 subsidies month, added full classes, but also before 1300. You say more overtime against the law what I know. Can you dare to report, you do not money? Why we came.
In fact, Singapore's laws and policies, many of which are very good, foreign labor is responsible for the detailed provisions, but unfortunately misinterpreted by many companies, the unspoken rules.
The of Mr. Li Yeming in microblogging, initiated the discussion, \"When foreign labor is no longer cheap,\" my new years get up from the lowest foreign workers, I can only offer cheap foreign labor status quo. These are the middle level, about 700 basic salary of many Western and Japanese enterprises the Chinese operatives shifts standard, regardless of the other small local enterprises. .
If you ask me to say this strike. I definitely do not support the strike behavior. But I support their voices. Pleaded with the government, businesses, embassies, hear their voices, respect their voices. Curb the strike in the bud stage. To simplify foreign workers and government communication procedures, the popularity of foreign workers basic labor rights protection, the protection of the rights of the most basic complaints of foreign workers. Respect the aspirations the outside Laoti out. Equal pay for equal work is not foreign workers must pursue, do not meet the actual situation of Singapore. In getting equal pay for equal work, the enterprises should respect the employee and explain.
Their voices ------
We come to China over the same stream with Chinese blood. We pay high intermediation costs Dongnuexijie. We are far behind, leaving the beloved family leave infirm parents. Leave on each other's husband. Leave the mother of the child is required. Everything Nanyang desire with your ancestors had floated sea, home to live like a family, so that our future generations are no longer poor. We have to. We work for their diligence. We uncomplainingly. We sweat the whole sprinkled in here. We hope here we afford to lose, we are entrusted with a variety of similar pain, many of us for two years to go back once the mouth waiting for our hands of the whole family, whenever the child to the phone when my mother called. Whenever the mother said, children suffering come back, you may be the same as a parent. But you realize that less than this feeling. Only hide in the toilet of the tears flowing, we can only choking back tears, the mother said, all right, all Chinese, very good for us all. Sometimes, however. We always due to various reasons, dismissed. Try to restrain him, cheated, and so on, we have to leave, when we connected the East rub the West borrowed capital not compete back is necessary are forced to go. Although force but no knife. But stab wounds just skin, which has hurt our hearts;
Sometimes, whenever I hear compatriots lying to extremely low salary, I heart pulling sad, pro, the black heart intermediaries, greedy boss. You believe in Buddhism, you believe retribution. You may believe that Jesus do? Do you believe punishment. If you have a little consonance, you will feel our hearts bleed. You must see that the children into the phone and call my mother filled with expectant eyes. You must see that poor home for the elderly. . . Of course, we do not need pity and charity. Nanyang predecessors break with the past because we have the same backbone, because I am Chinese. We are not afraid of suffering, I make money with industrious hands.
Please give us a little more dignity, respect, Chinese people do not three word cool aside. We look forward to \"integrate into the Lion City\"
Note, the text if wrong, illegal related laws, or data discrepancies, told me. That is correct. For Cite this article, please notify me. -
Approx $200~$250/pax, share room.
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