200 SMRT bus drivers refuse to go to work over pay issue
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Cheval:
Have increase headcount means better services and solutions for improvement?octoberbaby:
How much CEO's pay per month? $100,000? or more than that?
Minister Lui said more ppl would be introduced into SMRT management. Guess this won't be cheap. So Mr Lui actually forgot to mention the pay of these highly competent elite when talking about ticket fare rise whereby he mentioned only drivers' pay rise alone :xedfingers: -
limlim:
Why Taipei can maintain fares for 10years?http://luntan.zaobao.com/viewthread.php?tid=147945
[quote]台北捷运保持高素质服务水平的同时，十多年来未调整车资，这点特别令人赞赏。
Why SMRT cannot?[/quote]the greed of the 'elites' here has no limit -
3Boys:
Whatever...[/quote]
Why do you need my solution? Isn't this the best they can do? Shouldn't I accept that it is the best they can do? Is it WRONG to accept that this is the best they can do?concern2:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]
And your solution would be?
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
ya, whatever. Thing is, if SMRT is privatised, why has this become a problem for the minister? And why need to consider taxes? Shouldn't the CEO be the one in charge? Shouldn't it come from the shareholders- or to find other competitive and creative means to make money yet continuing to make customers happy? The line is a grey one here, and thus give room to grey areas in accountability. Just my thoughts.
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limlim:
Perhaps fares were meant to increase in the first place, whether there is strike or not - They were going to give increments to other workers any way, isn't it? So I don't totally disagree that perhaps there is opportunistic move here to announce fare rise.
WHY do the worker protest?3Boys:
And your solution would be?
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
It is bcoz of perceived UNFAIR salaries between different nationalities, and also unsatisfactory living conditions.
The company should make the base salaries the same, and deduct whatever costs like accommodation etc.. and make it transparency..
I don't see why would this directly translate into higher costs?
And who is talking about pay rise etc..? incompetent leader are again digging up the wrong place and totally missed the key point..
To me, they are just making excuse to up the fares yet again.. to increase profits.. using the strike as cover.. -
Cheval:
Solutions are there:
And your solution would be?3Boys:
[quote=\"concern2\"]
Ya - THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO. Like it or not, it is a monopoly - if you don't like it, go get a car (and bear with the COE )
If cost of operations rise, then who bears the rise in costs? Its either fares or taxes, and I am ok with both, but don't turn a blind eye and imagine some magic can occur.
1/ make public transport public again. No loss is the target, not the profit
2/ subsidy public transport using the COE money. Reasonable.[/quote]To make it public again - be prepared to be thrown back the same question - Where is the money going to come from to pay off the shareholders?
It's about the money, money, money,
Always about the money, money, money,
It's what makes the world dance,
Don't forget about the price tag,
Yeah yeah.... -
concern2:
To the CEOs and directors......?
Perhaps fares were meant to increase in the first place, whether there is strike or not - They were going to give increments to other workers any way, isn't it? So I don't totally disagree that perhaps there is opportunistic move here to announce fare rise. -
limlim:
To the CEOs and directors......?concern2:
Perhaps fares were meant to increase in the first place, whether there is strike or not - They were going to give increments to other workers any way, isn't it? So I don't totally disagree that perhaps there is opportunistic move here to announce fare rise.
........ :faint:
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concern2:
No, dun need money.
To make it public again - be prepared to be thrown back the same question - Where is the money going to come from to pay off the shareholders?Cheval:
Solutions are there:
1/ make public transport public again. No loss is the target, not the profit
2/ subsidy public transport using the COE money. Reasonable.
It's about the money, money, money,
Always about the money, money, money,
It's what makes the world dance,
Don't forget about the price tag,
Yeah yeah....
Ask Volvo and Mercedes to give us buses for free, ok?
You find some friends and volunteer to go drive buses for free, ok?
It's ok as long as its someone else's money.
Living in dreamland. -
Cheval:
What points?limlim:
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I completely agree with your points expressed in this thread. :celebrate: -
So nationalise the transport system?
Very good.
Can public transport workers go on strike?
Who pays for the public transport workers salaries?
Who pays for the buses?
Very simple.
Taxpayers, whether or not you use public transport.
I DON’T mind this being the case, I DON’T mind taxes being raised to fund a high cost-high wage environment.
What I can’t stand is this imaginary fairy-tale land thinking that somehow because something becomes public that it will magically become cheaper or better.
That is just unsubstantiated thinking driven by the gut and not by facts.
People make such a hue and cry over CEO salaries.
Ok, so now we make transport public, who are you going to have to run the show?
By definition, a public (civil) servant.
Wait, I thought the forum here are constantly bashing civil servants. They are obviously clueless about managing schools, managing investments, managing…our transport system.
But now, whoa, just because we have made public transport public, these same civil servants have transformed into super-managers that will outperform CEOs in our listed companies! Operations will be faster and smoother, costs will come down, right!?
All that is prevalent is knee-jerk, frog-in-the well thinking that can’t see beyond the navel.
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