Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down

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raysusan:

5 REASONS WHY WORKER’S PARTY MAY NOT WIN PUNGGOL EAST BY-ELECTION


http://therealsingapore.com/content/5-reasons-why-worker%E2%80%99s-party-may-not-win-punggol-east-election

what you guys think?? :xedfingers:

Pretty well-thought out article. Agree with some of the points, which are quite similar to why I think WP's win 'bo bao'.

There will be a percentage of 'die-hards' of supporters from either side, and they vote for the party, not the person. The swing voters will make the difference.

Also very interesting to see that this round if WP sends LLL again, as it will be similar fighting points as Desmond Lim from Hougang, unless WP can come up with other convincing reasons. Perhaps being a female will make some difference. This is based on the assumption that PAP will send in someone more heavy weight, more mature and experienced. I think if PAP sends in a female candidate, the \"cat fight\" will be an interesting one too.

Looking at how the MSM is flooded with articles to express that EMA is 'common', 'should not use that to judge the ability of a politician' etc., it won't be a surprise if people start to agree with it.

Personally, I am very pessimistic when I see so many such articles. First of all, imagine what would have been the case IF it had been another opposition member in that situation. This won't be happening.

Secondly, with the way the public is treating the various EMA cases, including how the WP had dealt with YSL's case, we see the public's moral tolerance with regards to EMA. However, with Palmergate, I see not only are we starting to question we ourselves are morally too 'intolerant of EMA, we start thinking it is like bread and butter.

HOW ON EARTH IS IT THAT NOW THAT A PAP MP IS FOUND TO BE ALSO GUILTY OF EMA, WE START TO LOWER OUR MORAL STANDARDS AND START TO THINK EMA IS 'NOT SUCH A BAD THING'??? 新加坡人到底有没有脑的？

This goes to show HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR ELECTED LEADERS TO BE A ROLE MODEL FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATION. Would this be what we, as parents, want our children to become? I am totally disgusted. The more I read the MSM on how 'honorable' his admittance is, the more disgusted I feel.

I don't think the current PAP can hold itself as it used to be, and not as 'straight' as it used to be. When their people make mistakes, it becomes ok. I don't know, maybe I am the one that is 老头脑.

[Gooby]

concern2:

HOW ON EARTH IS IT THAT NOW THAT A PAP MP IS FOUND TO BE ALSO GUILTY OF EMA, WE START TO LOWER OUR MORAL STANDARDS AND START TO THINK EMA IS 'NOT SUCH A BAD THING'??? 新加坡人到底有没有脑的？

I think most likely we have become somewhat numb 痲木 to such scandals happening in SG especially for year 2012. That it no longer shock our nerves when one scandal after another got bust in the news like an overwhelming avalanche.

[concern2]

Gooby:

concern2:

HOW ON EARTH IS IT THAT NOW THAT A PAP MP IS FOUND TO BE ALSO GUILTY OF EMA, WE START TO LOWER OUR MORAL STANDARDS AND START TO THINK EMA IS 'NOT SUCH A BAD THING'??? 新加坡人到底有没有脑的？

I think most likely we have become somewhat numb 痲木 to such scandals happening in SG especially for year 2012. That it no longer shock our nerves when one scandal after another got bust in the news like an overwhelming avalanche.

Thanks Gooby, for your comments. You have a point there. But that doesn't mean it has become acceptable now, yes?

[imwithchild]

i dont think EMAs have become more acceptable. yet with all the sex scandals in 2012, it makes EMA more noticeable. like anyone and everyone can get involved in an EMA. that is a really scary thought


any political party can have the most stringent criteria in selecting their candidates. all it takes is for that candidate to be weak for that one time…

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imwithchild:

i dont think EMAs have become more acceptable. yet with all the sex scandals in 2012, it makes EMA more noticeable. like anyone and everyone can get involved in an EMA. that is a really scary thought


any political party can have the most stringent criteria in selecting their candidates. all it takes is for that candidate to be weak for that one time...

ONE TIME? More like 'as long as you aren't caught!'

I am furious as I see it happening to people around me, people whom I know. The hurt that the family feels. And here we are, a minister I respect. What do I tell my kids? \"Don't be like this man?\" How do you answer questions like, \"Why is it wrong?\" And how about now the media is saying that it isn't actually 'wrong' because it is not 'illegal' in the first place. So, what, mummy is the wrong one? And the child comes around one day telling me, \"Hey, mom, come on! Everyone else is doing it!!!\"

[limlim]

Gooby:

I think most likely we have become somewhat numb 痲木 to such scandals happening in SG especially for year 2012. That it no longer shock our nerves when one scandal after another got bust in the news like an overwhelming avalanche.

Now that you mentioned it....

First, YSL.. (kena whacked the hardest).. MSM hitting hard at the man.. no attempt to dig out the woman

Then, the CNB and SCDF..?

Then.. lastly.. the MP.. with MSM hitting hard at the woman and all attention on her.. while the man's act being promoted as \"honorable\"..

The sequence of events.. seems to be in favor of the MP's exposure (which, could have been inevitable somehow due to evidences in someone's hand? How long was the affair and did it started before YSL?)

hmm.........

[Gooby]

concern2:

Gooby:

[quote=\"concern2\"]

HOW ON EARTH IS IT THAT NOW THAT A PAP MP IS FOUND TO BE ALSO GUILTY OF EMA, WE START TO LOWER OUR MORAL STANDARDS AND START TO THINK EMA IS 'NOT SUCH A BAD THING'??? 新加坡人到底有没有脑的？

I think most likely we have become somewhat numb 痲木 to such scandals happening in SG especially for year 2012. That it no longer shock our nerves when one scandal after another got bust in the news like an overwhelming avalanche.

Thanks Gooby, for your comments. You have a point there. But that doesn't mean it has become acceptable now, yes?[/quote]No, EMA is not acceptable because it betrays trust and hurts. Anything that hurts will be confronted by the conscience.

Yet, most of us also know better that EMA is very common and happening everywhere, not just SG but the whole world. I am very certain that our kids will grow up to face such issues one way or another.

Instead of depending on others (parents, teachers, principals, MPs etc etc etc etc etc) to lead by example and expecting high moral standard, we should admit and be open about the human weakness. Just how easy ANY HUMAN succumb to temptations. This is a sad fact of life.

Guide and prepare our kids about the REAL WORLD, so they are not blinded, and be more ready to make sound decisions and judgement when confronted by similar situations.

As parents, I think this is the least that we can do. So our kids cannot turn back next time to say that my parents never teach me this and that.

[concern2]

Gooby:

No, EMA is not acceptable because it betrays trust and hurts. Anything that hurts will be confronted by the conscience.

Yet, most of us also know better that EMA is very common and happening everywhere, not just SG but the whole world. I am very certain that our kids will grow up to face such issues one way or another.

Instead of depending on others (parents, teachers, principals, MPs etc etc etc etc etc) to lead by example and expecting high moral standard, we should admit and be open about the human weakness. Just how easy ANY HUMAN succumb to temptations. This is a sad fact of life.

Guide and prepare our kids about the REAL WORLD, so they are not blinded, and be more ready to make sound decisions and judgement when confronted by similar situations.

As parents, I think this is the least that we can do. So our kids cannot turn back next time to say that my parents never teach me this and that.

Well said, Gooby.

It is a sad fact of life. And no, we should not depend on others to lead by example, and yes, we should admit and be open about human weakness, just how easy any human succumb to temptations. BUT YES, we should expect and demand high standards and continue to do so unless you think lust is a virtue and not a vice.

I do not even want to comment on how some think lust has got nothing to do with politics, and how some people even bring out examples of famous politicians and their private affairs. The fact is that SINGAPORE was never like the other countries, and I love this aspect of our politics. CLEAN. And I wish it continues to be so. I do not want to compromise in OUR standards just because it has become a COMMON thing, or because every other country is doing it.

Someone has the cheek to say why not ask Michael Palmer to run for election again. Fine - go ask Michael Palmer to run for the by-election and let the residents decide if they want him back as MP. That will set our standards once and for all on HOW ACCEPTABLE WE ARE to EMA from our politicians. In any case, he has already admitted wrong-doing and had done the honorable thing by admitting it, hasn't he? Go invite Michael back and ask if he wants to be the scapegoat. I don't mind. In any case, he isn't my husband, my father, my brother, or my son.

[octoberbaby]

Adultery reflects a character flaw, no matter how competent and capable a man is, if he can be untrue to his soul mate, there is no reason why he can’t be untrue to his co workers and employer.

[raysusan]

octoberbaby:

Adultery reflects a character flaw, no matter how competent and capable a man is, if he can be untrue to his soul mate, there is no reason why he can't be untrue to his co workers and employer.

and we have pple suggest him to come back as a independent party...
:slapshead: :slapshead:
http://therealsingapore.com/content/let-voters-decide-palmers-political-fate