Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down
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MMM:
dunno where pirate get the idea people think ah lian is O level leh, nobody say ma.
I thought LLL looks sweet but too bad her teeth is not nice...pirate:
I'm curious. Why do people have the impression that LLL is an Ah Lian with only O levels when she actually has a degree from Curtin? :scratchhead:
I am really looking forward to the rally... No news yet right.
Just luv the name ah lian
. And I luv her posters along the street ! Nice sincere angelic smile compared to the other 3 gentlemen.
Will try to attend the WP rallies, for sure. Luv her loud voice too !
I have no doubt that DL and KJ are sincere and committed to serve the common people, but they need to be pragmatic - do they seriously think they can win here ? if not, why run now ? for the sympathy votes that KPK does not want ? :evil: -
AC_Power:
@Strparent, If you have a strong candidate which you think is the best, put him up. That's the one and only thing you should do. By fielding him, you are being fair to him, to the voters of Punggol East and to SDP.
Just saw this..... wonder if there is some truth in it.MR06:
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I agree with 2WG. I have the same opinion that SDP has ONE very promising candidate who is better than whats remaining available at WP ( no offence to LLL - I luv ah lian :imanangel: ), so the concept was good, though the approach and method just does not click, due to different parties' visions.
By pulling out to avoid/reduce multi-party fight, they did the most logical step. They can seriously think of a remote victory ONLY if WP agrees and does not field a separate candidate.
Once WP insist on their own candidate, they had no chance and also does not want to be labelled another TJS.
The article , imho, is very much biased to lend discredit to the SDP.
as for the ikan bilis, hope that they come to their senses and do the honourable thing and NOT submit their planned nominations, though unlikely they will do so.
DL may feel he need to show he is always there and will always be there. As for KJ, I have no idea what the heck he think he is doing. The overly eagerness to get into Parliament is hazing the obvious and clouting his judgement. There is a 95% chance he will lose his deposit if he run in a multi-party BE, let alone any remote chance of actually winning :slapshead: :slapshead:
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/25983_3611481145763_370543050_n.jpg
Fyi, I'm no critic or supporter of SDP but definitely a by-stander and observer like most Singaporean in this BE.
In contrary, he created tension with WP by making public the email comms. He created controversy by offering that \"joint campaigning\" proposal to WP which he subsequently admitted that he knew WP would not accept. If he really has opposition unity in mind, he would have learnt from NSP, announced that they will not contest right from the start, not after all these PR disasters. If he really has opposition unity in mind, he would not publish those comms to put WP in a bad light. In gist, you don't create dis-unity among the opposition in trying to achieve unity. It just doesn't make sense.
@MR06, not sure if that is true and I won't be surprise if it is. CSJ does not seem to be in sync with the rest of the SDP as far as this BE prep is concern. Remember when he told the whole world about his \"SDP MP but WP TC\" idea, who else is with him? His lone figure suggested that he is either making that call on his own without notifying his CEC, or he is receiving no support. Subsequently, when WP announced their candidate, Dr Ang, who distant himself from being considered as a candidate, commented that it is a \"brilliant\" move by WP for naming LLL.[/quote]I agree it was a PR and leadership disaster. After so many years, there seems to be a step back in political nuance and judgement.
No one would seriously have thought that the WP would not field a candidate, imagine the internal uproar. If it was so obvious to outsiders, didn't SDP/CSJ have a clue? After they had been rebuffed, why pursue the matter of an alliance?
Then it comes down to a very simple calculation, to field or not to field. Would the opposition be much worse off not having PE? I don't think so, it's a bit of a long shot anyway. So why not take the opportunity to blood a new candidate, perhaps one that could be seen to be better than LLL, and set the frame for the the next GE? They have now ceded PE permanently to the WP, when perhaps this could have been a stepping stone to greater things. Indeed they are now even behind SDA and RP in PE, their veracity being seriously questioned. WP had no qualms about trampling over SDA, not sure why any other parties would extend that same courtesy to the WP. Who's to say that WP should be the big brother amongst opposition parties?
If despite all of this, they felt out of the goodness of their heart that they would not want to split the opposition vote, then stay out of it from the off.
Just my rant, frustrated about how amateur this had all been. -
be cool...some photos to enjoy
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Strparent:
Hey Strparent, are you the one from Upp Serangoon area??? So under AHTC or Hougang SMC now?Will try to attend the WP rallies, for sure. Luv her loud voice too !
Yes... hopefully tomorrow or saturday..... Bring my Sylvia Lim autographed brolly there :rahrah: Trying to find exact location and especially nearest MRT station. -
Strparent:
Looks like DL's tactic will be to pull down WP's votes by heaving on the 'intimidating phone calls' , which he did similarly during the last GE. Only this time, not just PE residents will know, the whole Singapore gets to hear of it, to the delight of the other parties (other than WP of course). Last time, even his wife spoke up about this. I donno if this will actually give them sympathy votes or make WP supporters sound like ah long. Whichever way, it didn't help in getting him beyond 5% of the votes the last time.
I have no doubt that DL and KJ are sincere and committed to serve the common people, but they need to be pragmatic - do they seriously think they can win here ? if not, why run now ? for the sympathy votes that KPK does not want ? :evil:
In 2006, SDA was the only opposition party contesting against the PAP in Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC (PE as SMC was carved out from here in 2011). When WP came in to provide residents with additional choice, his votes went all the way down. How could an opposition party whose record had been more than 30% garner less than 5% votes with an entrance of a 3rd party? Who is this 3rd party, and what is their formula of success? Why had the people who would have previously voted for me have swung their votes to them, with a record of more than 40% which I was never able to achieve? There should be many lessons to be learnt from there and how to beat the strong opponent. If citing how intimating the phone calls are coming in again for him to retract from the BE is his only weapon, then
sorry, Mr. Lim, you really should have taken those phone calls as frank advice and not intimidation.
On 2nd thoughts, DL isn't an independent. He is under SDA. So it is really the SDA council that is behind him. Hm...really don't understand how they work... -
3Boys:
yes, totally disastrous and lacking of EQ.
I agree it was a PR and leadership disaster. After so many years, there seems to be a step back in political nuance and judgement.
No one would seriously have thought that the WP would not field a candidate, imagine the internal uproar. If it was so obvious to outsiders, didn't SDP/CSJ have a clue? After they had been rebuffed, why pursue the matter of an alliance?
Even if CSJ feel so strongly about his wayward idea proposal, I would think that this being our little country, he could have just drove down to Hougang or Aljunied, personally have a cuppa at the local kopitiam, and casually mention this possibility ? rather than thru the media ????? :sad:,
Raysusan, thanks for the link to the pics.
is it me, or does CSM looked thinner and frail now ?
:nailbite:
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anyway, I luv ah lian's sweet smile .....
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and jk note : if it can score any extra votes hor...... tell the ahpeks and ahsohs ......that.........ah lian...........is.........also..........a...........LEE ! :siam: :siam:
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concern2:
Wow... interesting history... But it is so shame shame... :spank: He think he can play the same trick twice or residents are gullible.Looks like DL's tactic will be to pull down WP's votes by heaving on the 'intimidating phone calls' , which he did similarly during the last GE. Only this time, not just PE residents will know, the whole Singapore gets to hear of it, to the delight of the other parties (other than WP of course). Last time, even his wife spoke up about this. I donno if this will actually give them sympathy votes or make WP supporters sound like ah long. Whichever way, it didn't help in getting him beyond 5% of the votes the last time.
In 2006, SDA was the only opposition party contesting against the PAP in Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC (PE as SMC was carved out from here in 2011). When WP came in to provide residents with additional choice, his votes went all the way down. How could an opposition party whose record had been more than 30% garner less than 5% votes with an entrance of a 3rd party? Who is this 3rd party, and what is their formula of success? Why had the people who would have previously voted for me have swung their votes to them, with a record of more than 40% which I was never able to achieve? There should be many lessons to be learnt from there and how to beat the strong opponent. If citing how intimating the phone calls are coming in again for him to retract from the BE is his only weapon, then sorry, Mr. Lim, you really should have taken those phone calls as frank advice and not intimidation.
Personally when I read about the intimidation piece. I didn't link it to WP. I feel that WP don't need to resort to this kind of dirty tricks to get there. They are already honorable. I thought it was public at large who do not want to see a vote dilution like our presidential election... Wonder why some people just cannot think.... What if showing worst than last time round... obi good? :roll: -
MMM:
Actually hor, yes, you are right. He did not say it was the WP, but WP supporters. Personally, I think WP supporters just want more opposition voice in parliament, and WP had been a better bet
Wow... interesting history... But it is so shame shame... :spank: He think he can play the same trick twice or residents are gullible.concern2:
Looks like DL's tactic will be to pull down WP's votes by heaving on the 'intimidating phone calls' , which he did similarly during the last GE. Only this time, not just PE residents will know, the whole Singapore gets to hear of it, to the delight of the other parties (other than WP of course). Last time, even his wife spoke up about this. I donno if this will actually give them sympathy votes or make WP supporters sound like ah long. Whichever way, it didn't help in getting him beyond 5% of the votes the last time.
In 2006, SDA was the only opposition party contesting against the PAP in Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC (PE as SMC was carved out from here in 2011). When WP came in to provide residents with additional choice, his votes went all the way down. How could an opposition party whose record had been more than 30% garner less than 5% votes with an entrance of a 3rd party? Who is this 3rd party, and what is their formula of success? Why had the people who would have previously voted for me have swung their votes to them, with a record of more than 40% which I was never able to achieve? There should be many lessons to be learnt from there and how to beat the strong opponent. If citing how intimating the phone calls are coming in again for him to retract from the BE is his only weapon, then sorry, Mr. Lim, you really should have taken those phone calls as frank advice and not intimidation.
Personally when I read about the intimidation piece. I didn't link it to WP. I feel that WP don't need to resort to this kind of dirty tricks to get there. They are already honorable. I thought it was public at large who do not want to see a vote dilution like our presidential election... Wonder why some people just cannot think.... What if showing worst than last time round... obi good? :roll:
This time round, the sentiments wouldn't have changed much.
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[quote=\"concern2\"] Actually hor, yes, you are right. He did not say it was the WP, but WP supporters. Personally, I think WP supporters just want more opposition voice in parliament, and WP had been a better bet
This time round, the sentiments wouldn't have changed much.[/quote]
? Need enlightenment on this? Sentiment as in the resident generally pro incumbent?
Yes WP has the better package among all the opposition. It is not perfect but it is still acceptable. The feeling it gives is very different. It's like people who are on the same boat as you. I used to be neutral until I attended their last day rally at YCK stadium that allowed them to win Aljunied. Then during the last Hougang by election, yes I still recall the rally on rainy night and people stayed on... and strangers try to share whatever \"shelter\" they can offer with each other....
Also with WP and with the help of social media, we are indeed hearing more and more stuff.... Sometimes I wonder if we will get to hear these stuff if there were only 2 oppositions in parliament.... So yes... some form of control and check is good for everyone to avoid complacency.
I have a auntie who is staying in punggol area (not punggol east). My uncle recently passed away and I heard that the MP and RC members went to the wake. My uncle is just an ordinary old man and he did not have any RC dealings, etc.... I think we've heard/ read about LTK/ WP's practise of going to wake and the personal touch, this is like a wake up call to the ruling party MPs to be more attentive to the people and not appear only during election. I suppose the residents are the ones who benefit in the end. -
MMM:
Um, sorli hor, no direct access by MRT to these 2 sites selected for rally. However, you can take the MRT, then transfer to LRT.
Hey Strparent, are you the one from Upp Serangoon area??? So under AHTC or Hougang SMC now?Strparent:
Will try to attend the WP rallies, for sure. Luv her loud voice too !
Yes... hopefully tomorrow or saturday..... Bring my Sylvia Lim autographed brolly there :rahrah: Trying to find exact location and especially nearest MRT station.
For Blk 128C Punggol Field Walk, you can access via Punggol MRT Station-Coral Edge LRT Station.
For Blk 183C Rivervale Crescent, you can access via Sengkang MRT Station-Rumbia LRT Station. It is tricky if you have never taken this route, because you need to pay close attention to the directions which you are taking.
At Sengkang LRT platform, you need to look out for the YELLOW scrolling text heading towards Compassvale. Do not take the train with RED scrolling text heading towards Cheng Lim.
If you happen to hop on to the wrong train, just relax and view our past kampongs of Punggol, which has no more traces of farm activities, and before it is developed further with condos...have a feel and imagine how it is to be like being the 'son of punggol', the train will bring you back to Sengkang LRT station within 15 minutes, where you can board the correct train.
As for bus routes, it is more tricky as I am not so familiar...most of us just take LRT..
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