Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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octoberbaby:
questionable one is 'study mama'. Don't think they can afford to stay home whole day with no income. Moonlighting job is very common. Look at one the shopping centres in chinatown basement. Full of spa, massage, etc
A friend of mine who hails from China told me those 'study mamas' are mostly divorced or separated...most hardly have skills but have to support their kids studying here. Some do part time as cleaners...but not many. -
‘study mama’ should be asked to pay non-refundable deposit $50,000 or more.
Those who wants to bring the whole generation, also pay non-refundable deposit for each person.
Imagine bring in 2M in years times $50,000 , rich…rich…can buy more MRT trains. -
octoberbaby:
What on earth is a non-refundable deposit? A deposit is refundable, if its not refundable, it's a fee.'study mama' should be asked to pay non-refundable deposit $50,000 or more.
Those who wants to bring the whole generation, also pay non-refundable deposit for each person.
Imagine bring in 2M in years times $50,000 , rich....rich.....can buy more MRT trains.
Real xenophobe aren't you? -
This topic of ‘study mamas’ has been discussed before…if we send our kids overseas, we have to ask ourselves if we have the means to do so. At most either parent accompany their kids for a week or 2 until they settle in and return to Singapore. Study mamas remain here…and there are many of them here.
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3Boys:
What on earth is a non-refundable deposit? A deposit is refundable, if its not refundable, it's a fee.
Real xenophobe aren't you?
in 1982, all foreign students who came to Singapore to study were required to pay a 'deposit' to MOE $8000. This was not refundable until today.
in 1983, the 'deposit' was increased to $10,000. Not even refundable till today.
Not sure what MOE meant by 'deposit' at that time. -
It’s not whether we can squeeze in 7 million, 10 or even 12 million people in this small island, with proper planning, or course we can. If there’s a will, there’s a way. We can reclaim land, dig up graves and use up every inch of land or even build water city!
We can build more flats, extending up to the sky, expand transport networks, build more amenities, and even carve out areas where only the rich can afford to pay for the much needed spacious living, the likes of the Sentosa Cove.
However, is this type of environment conducive for living? People crowding everywhere, in parks, gardens, recreational facilities, where you can hardly find enough “space” to think, reflect and relax. Even our homes are built so small that people will feel rather catastrophic, especially when more children (this is encouraged, right?) come along. With everything planned and built, we would feel everything is so artificial, with no or very few nature surrounding us.
I anticipate such high density living would surely have some ill-effects on people’s mental and physical health. So yes, I do hope there IS a reasonable limit so that ordinary people like us can live in a more conducive environment. Stressful living environment created by space crunch CAN be avoided if we have a more holistic view when crafting policies, which do not just focus on numbers only. Or do we want an environment where only the elitists have the luxury of space? Frankly, I feel even the dead need some “breathing” space! -
sunflower:
:rotflmao: my grandparents had their breathing space forcefully taken away long time ago! Die, also must die rich! The likes of Bukit Brown got to breath longer.It’s not whether we can squeeze in 7 million, 10 or even 12 million people in this small island, with proper planning, or course we can. If there’s a will, there’s a way. We can reclaim land, dig up graves and use up every inch of land or even build water city!
We can build more flats, extending up to the sky, expand transport networks, build more amenities, and even carve out areas where only the rich can afford to pay for the much needed spacious living, the likes of the Sentosa Cove.
However, is this type of environment conducive for living? People crowding everywhere, in parks, gardens, recreational facilities, where you can hardly find enough “space” to think, reflect and relax. Even our homes are built so small that people will feel rather catastrophic, especially when more children (this is encouraged, right?) come along. With everything planned and built, we would feel everything is so artificial, with no or very few nature surrounding us.
I anticipate such high density living would surly have some ill-effects on people’s mental and physical health. So yes, I do hope there IS a reasonable limit so that ordinary people like us can live in a more conducive environment. Stressful living environment created by space crunch CAN be avoided if we have a more holistic view when crafting policies, which do not just focus on numbers only. Or do we want an environment where only the elitists have the luxury of space? Frankly, I feel even the dead need some “breathing” space!
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sunflower:
This reminded me of an article I read ages ago...It’s not whether we can squeeze in 7 million, 10 or even 12 million people in this small island, with proper planning, or course we can. If there’s a will, there’s a way. We can reclaim land, dig up graves and use up every inch of land or even build water city!
We can build more flats, extending up to the sky, expand transport networks, build more amenities, and even carve out areas where only the rich can afford to pay for the much needed spacious living, the likes of the Sentosa Cove.
However, is this type of environment conducive for living? People crowding everywhere, in parks, gardens, recreational facilities, where you can hardly find enough “space” to think, reflect and relax. Even our homes are built so small that people will feel rather catastrophic, especially when more children (this is encouraged, right?) come along. With everything planned and built, we would feel everything is so artificial, with no or very few nature surrounding us.
I anticipate such high density living would surly have some ill-effects on people’s mental and physical health. So yes, I do hope there IS a reasonable limit so that ordinary people like us can live in a more conducive environment. Stressful living environment created by space crunch CAN be avoided if we have a more holistic view when crafting policies, which do not just focus on numbers only. Or do we want an environment where only the elitists have the luxury of space? Frankly, I feel even the dead need some “breathing” space!
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/pore-tomorrow-underground-090006512.html -
sunflower:
It was reported in the news some weeks back that China was concerned about the aging population. However, I’m not sure whether they see the problem as serious enough to take any action at this point. China has now become richer due to the economic reforms during Deng Xiaoping’s time. Perhaps China has a much bigger base and adequate resources (more can be discovered) to counter it. However, I think there needs to be long term planning to avoid any catastrophic effects.[/quote]I guess the policy is not applied in a blanket fashion..
Has anyone of you wondered why China, after seeing what is happening to Singapore, isn't calling their one-child policy to a halt?concern2:
[quote=\"sunflower\"]When LKY first conceived the “Two is Enough” policy ..
I do hope we do not need to suffer the consequences and deal with another missing part of the equation again.
Some cities like Beijing, Shanghai don't hv the 1 child restrictions.. in act, they may be encouraging procreation in those cities if I'm not mistaken. -
Since the cost of land in Singapore is so much higher now relative to construction cost, I’ll suggest, from now onward, all roads be build underground, old roads can gradually be converted to underground also. All new MRT lines should be build underground. It frees up space and reduce much noise pollution above ground level.
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