Punggol East By-Election coming ? MP steps down
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pirate:
think he doesn't need our sympathetic prayersMMM:
Let us
You guys should go to mosque, church, temple and whatever places of worship today to pray for them 
Thought I read/ heard somewhere some resident went to waterloo street to pray for LLL.
Anybody go to Waterloo Street to for KPK? Must be fair hor. :imanangel:
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Punggolian_888:
100% agree. PM Lee speaks from the heart.李显龙总理昨晚在榜鹅东区补选最后一夜的行动党群众大会上，重点说明了自独立以来长期执政的行动党政府，在三位总理领导下的不同施政方向，以此针对刘程强日前抨击行动党政府已经变质提出强力的回应。
刘程强在该党前天的群众大会上影射，从行动党原议员、国会议长柏默出问题导致此次榜鹅东举行补选，可看出行动党自历任总理李光耀到吴作栋，再到现任总理李显龙，其国会议员和候选人的素质已今非昔比。
对于刘程强的评价，也是行动党秘书长的总理形容他“说错了二又四分之三。第一、就理念和目标，我们始终坚定不移；第二，就诚信和‘纯洁度’，我们的坚持也始终如一。
总理细致地描述了行动党展现领导能力，同时顺应时代变化的意愿：李光耀时代体现的是一种“严爱”（tough love），政策侧重自力更生，尽管“苛刻、艰苦，但对新加坡的成功大有助益”；吴作栋时代因应不同世代的要求，政策更加柔性，允许更多的社会参与；到了他主政的时期，社会进一步改变，意味他必须大幅度增加社会开支，尤其是在照顾年长人士及社会弱势群体扶助计划方面的投入。
人民行动党政府这些年始终坚守创党以来的理念和诚信，它在政策方面也没有因循守旧，而是以人民利益为依归，因时制宜。因此工人党秘书长刘程强对行动党的改变没有正确的
认知。
总理也说：“我们的政策都是为了惠及新加坡人，这是我们从政的理由。选民是我们的主人。我们的责任是：我们认为什么政策对你们最有利，我们就去做。”
针对刘程强大力抨击这些年来经历蜕变后的行动党政府，其政策总是以经济利益为导向，使新加坡成为一个高度自私与功利主义的社会，总理反驳说：“我们要创造一个蓬勃的经济，不是因为要经济挂帅，而是因为要改善人民的生活。我们认识到经济是其中一个重要的因素，这其实是民生挂帅。而通过发展经济改善民生，是一个可行、成功的政策。”
总理也说：“所以当有人说，私人企业对新加坡人不利，是赚钱的。我听了糊里糊涂，不知道是真是假，好像说得头头是道，仔细想想其实似是而非。（演讲）很激动人心，但冷静想想，如果真的是这样，中国为什么从毛泽东（的封闭）走向邓小平（的改革开放）？从以前一个完全国营化的制度，变成一个社会主义市场经济，有竞争、有盈利、有人赚钱？”
“我们更应该问一问，如果这么做对新加坡人不好，我们是民选政府，行动党需要人民支持，我们为什么要去做这么傻的事情？我们可能有时做错事，但我想我们没有那么愚蠢吧。”
Do you agree on this?? Your thoughts pls..
The other thing about nationalisation of public services.
Its not just a matter of taking the profits and distributing it, therefore assuming that fares suddenly become more affordable. The far more important question is to whether a transport system is better run by the g'ment or by private operators. The same question I have asked over and over, which people just close their eyes and shut their ears to, why do we assume the g'ment can run train system better then a private operator, since we are all up in arms about g'ment performance in other areas anyway?
It's such naive thinking, yet, the seduction of the rally cry of nationalisation overrides ALL reason.
Is an across-the-board subsidy the answer?
In my view, it's a MASSIVE waste of PUBLIC money to do so. If they did this, I would vote AGAINST the PAP. Fares are affordable to the majority, for those who cannot afford, we MUST use the cash saved to disburse public assistance grants.
That's HOW you use money well, not fritter it away.
But lots of people don't get that. -
Strparent:
think he doesn't need our sympathetic prayerspirate:
[quote=\"MMM\"]Let us
You guys should go to mosque, church, temple and whatever places of worship today to pray for them Thought I read/ heard somewhere some resident went to waterloo street to pray for LLL.
Anybody go to Waterloo Street to for KPK? Must be fair hor. :imanangel:[/quote]Oh, definitely praying for KPK.
Not for who he is, but for who stands behind him and what they stand against. -
Strparent:
think he doesn't need our sympathetic prayerspirate:
[quote=\"MMM\"]Let us
You guys should go to mosque, church, temple and whatever places of worship today to pray for them Thought I read/ heard somewhere some resident went to waterloo street to pray for LLL.
Anybody go to Waterloo Street to for KPK? Must be fair hor. :imanangel:[/quote]I pray that who ever wins, whatever the results, it is for the betterment of Singapore. This is the WP spirit, and the Singaporean spirit, isn't it?
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3Boys:
...The far more important question is to whether a transport system is better run by the g'ment or by private operators. The same question I have asked over and over, which people just close their eyes and shut their ears to, why do we assume the g'ment can run train system better then a private operator, since we are all up in arms about g'ment performance in other areas anyway?
3boys, I've seen u n limlim battling over this some time back. But you have not dealt with the issue of 'competition'. REAL COMPETITION. Without competition, whatever privatization to improve operations is just - like someone said, kelong! -
Punggolian_888:
本来， 私营化 是好的，但在新加坡，私营化 是政府赚钱，人民的生意纷纷倒闭，因为人们必须得和政府投资和机构 竞争，人们谋生的机会越来越受限制，在没有法子再继续营业的情况下，只好打工，有些甚至是到政府管理的公司里工作，接受一份较低的薪水，一直做到老，还得继续打工，因为生活费不停地高涨，高过薪金的增加，人们对未来，是悲观的！李显龙总理昨晚在榜鹅东区补选最后一夜的行动党群众大会上，重点说明了.............我们为什么要去做这么傻的事情？我们可能有时做错事，但我想我们没有那么愚蠢吧。”
Do you agree on this?? Your thoughts pls..
政府是聪明的，是精英们组成的， 他们怎么会是傻的呢？ 傻的是人们，还一直相信政府， 不懂得用选票 ，更早告知政府 这些政策是要命的，不是良药！或者，人们以前没有更好的政党 来给予执政党竞争和挑战，为人民说话？或者，人们以前都顾着辛苦赚钱，后来才发现，赚来的钱都到哪去了呢？
都这么多年了，同样的药没见效，该换药了！换一换，尝试一下有没有进展，又有何妨？ 不好的话，下次再换，医生 也还不是在做同样的事吗？这难道就不是 民主的意义吗？ -
pirate:
Why you never say b4 ?MMM:
Let us
You guys should go to mosque, church, temple and whatever places of worship today to pray for them Thought I read/ heard somewhere some resident went to waterloo street to pray for LLL.
Anybody go to Waterloo Street to for KPK? Must be fair hor. :imanangel:
Just back from Waterloo street but visited the other temple :evil:
And no prayers for the elections . Prayed for world peace though
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Sun_2010:
Why you never say b4 ?pirate:
[quote=\"MMM\"]Let us
You guys should go to mosque, church, temple and whatever places of worship today to pray for them Thought I read/ heard somewhere some resident went to waterloo street to pray for LLL.
Anybody go to Waterloo Street to for KPK? Must be fair hor. :imanangel:
Just back from Waterloo street but visited the other temple :evil:
And no prayers for the elections . Prayed for world peace though[/quote]d Indian temple next to GuanYin temple?
Donce bluff pray for world peace!
u went to pray for KJ right? :evil:
dat fellow need all d prayers he can get after he hantam WP last nite when he previously said he was all for oppo solidarity.
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concern2:
BUT, the 'competition' question is a red herring!3Boys:
...The far more important question is to whether a transport system is better run by the g'ment or by private operators. The same question I have asked over and over, which people just close their eyes and shut their ears to, why do we assume the g'ment can run train system better then a private operator, since we are all up in arms about g'ment performance in other areas anyway?
3boys, I've seen u n limlim battling over this some time back. But you have not dealt with the issue of 'competition'. REAL COMPETITION. Without competition, whatever privatization to improve operations is just - like someone said, kelong!
Question 1: Are public transport fares in Singapore affordable for the majority of Singaporeans? I have done the sums somewhere else in this forum before.
My own personal conclusion is down to about the 15th centile, the proportion of household income spent on transport is not outrageous compared to most other developed countries, and less than quite a number of developing countries, DESPITE g'ment ownership of some of those systems. If someone is able to challenge this, I happily stand corrected.
Question 2: Are the service standards of SMRT and public trasnport operators inferior to those of comparable countries to Singapore. I have less of a feel and it's harder to objectively measure. BUT, from anecdotal evidence of my personal experience (granted, I only take MRT/bus 3-4x a week), and of those who come from other countries, is that our system is not bad at all. It's not perfect, but perfection comes at a cost, we all know that. Are we willing to live with 97% service reliability, or spend twice the amount in operating costs to ensure 99.9% reliability? That's what PM Lee is saying, look at the trade-offs, not just the spend spend spend. They are being truthful and transparent, can you say that of the WP?
We already know that some forms of competition is unhealthy, was there not a lot of pressure to get off school rankings, PSLE scores? How well does it serve Singapore to have 2 sets of train lines, or 2 bus companies plying the same routes? Have we no consideration for space or pollution?
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, how well is the public transport system working, relative to the amount we pay to maintain it? We MUST always look at both sides, not just the first part of the balance.
This question about whether competition improves services, then implies that if in a particular area, there were no competition, that the g'ment then has the responsibility to own that area?? How ridiculous is that?
People bandy this concept of competition about as if they were experts and understood all the concepts, pros and cons of it, and apply it indiscriminately to all situations, when even Nobel Laureate economists fight and disagree. I think some humility is in order, for if one criticises a policy, one then implies he knows better and can do a better job. -
concern2:
Yea yea. Whoever wins, let's keep within our sight dat SG is moving towards a better tomolo for everyone.
I pray that who ever wins, whatever the results, it is for the betterment of Singapore. This is the WP spirit, and the Singaporean spirit, isn't it?
It's been an interesting 9 days of campaigning.
d 2 main opponents hv basically ignored d other 2 contestants.
Wat started out as local contest bwt a 'poor' son of Punggol vs a 'hardworking' daughter of Punggol shifted into a new direction midstream into d campaign - d BE became a 'referendum' on WP n PAP performances.
PE voters hv been unfairly offered a false dilemmma.
Dis is not about two extreme choices of either for cohesion or divisive politics - there can be many degrees of co-operation bwt these two extremes.
It can only be gud for SG if we hv more alternative voices than just one dominant party in parliament to offer various alternatives to be debated rationally n soundly, to keep each other in check for d betterment of SG.
At 80:6, one more MIW wld not make much of a difference. But one more alternative voice will speak louder n make a greater difference than one more MIW voice drowned in a background of similar views.
Will Pungollians chose hope for a better SG of tomorrow over fear of change?
We live in hope.
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