Pilot or Stewardess?
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pirate:
See post on other thread.
And where does the ground crew who make sure the planes do not fall out of the sky fit into your analogy? Whoever the pilots are, the ministers are definitely not on the plane.3Boys:
You forget that although our system is Westminster in appearance, the actual execution is far different from how it is in the UK and other jurisdictions. Our ministers are far more into policy details than is typical for politicians elsewhere.
The ministers are MOST definitely the pilots in our context, quite often they outlast the perm secs even.
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3Boys
I reckon that you'll have to temper your expectations of democracy.
Even in an above average forum like KSP, I would struggle to describe the average forumner as a discerning or critical thinking individual.
At the end of the day, democracy will always regress/degenerate into a wayang of pandering to the whims of the lowest common factor/multiple.
Last but not least, I would like to share some of my favourite quotes by Alexis de Tocqueville :
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle.
A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it.
P.S. Yeah, I know I'm cynical. -
Irrelevant:
Haha!3Boys
I reckon that you'll have to temper your expectations of democracy.
Even in an above average forum like KSP, I would struggle to describe the average forumner as a discerning or critical thinking individual.
At the end of the day, democracy will always regress/degenerate into a wayang of pandering to the whims of the lowest common factor/multiple.
Last but not least, I would like to share some of my favourite quotes by Alexis de Tocqueville :
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle.
A democratic government is the only one in which those who vote for a tax can escape the obligation to pay it.
P.S. Yeah, I know I'm cynical.
If I weren't an idealist, I would have stopped posting ages ago!
It's interesting that when one types TOC into the Google search field, theonlinecitizen pops up near the top, and Tocqueville comes into the mix a few pages down. But it's cyclical. Historically, small nation states like ours have a limited shelf life. I don't see Singapore escaping the clutches of gravity or mediocrity. We are, as a people, rather mediocre, it's only the leadership that sets us apart.
The people want ordinary people in parliament, crafting ordinary policies, to help the ordinary people. Nothing wrong with that, we'll have an ordinary leadership and be an ordinary country, with ordinary schools, ordinary workforce, ordinary healthcare, and ordinary salaries.
The level of political awareness and debate in Singapore, I feel, needs to mature. BUT, that too, is the PAP's fault (I mean it this time). -
I guess many of us just wanted to have stewardess who are truely concerned of the passengers’ welfare and well-being and who will occassionally go into the cockpit to check if the pilots have been dozing off too often.
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It will be interesting to see when opposition MPs be made a Minister.
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concern2:
It will be interesting to see when opposition MPs be made a Minister.
When that happens, they will not be called 'Opposition' liao!
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I think the situation now is not about pilot or air stewardess. Its the airline that is relentless asking money from the passengers, and making the plane exceed its carrying capacity just to make more money. The arguement is that if we don’t let in more passengers, the airline will bankrupt, everyone will be grounded. And all these are happening while the pilots and some of the air stewardess are paying themselves ever increasing salary, and there is a special area for staff and business/1st class passengers in the plane where they have luxury access to the facilities and space. The number of economy class passengers are increasing at an alarming speed. And the passengers continue to pay higher and higher fees.
However, at this rate, the plane will come crashing down very soon. And in the midst of all, some passengers decided to come out and start serving to minimize their pain… -
Dora1:
This is getting interesting...I think the situation now is not about pilot or air stewardess. Its the airline that is relentless asking money from the passengers, and making the plane exceed its carrying capacity just to make more money. The arguement is that if we don't let in more passengers, the airline will bankrupt, everyone will be grounded. And all these are happening while the pilots and some of the air stewardess are paying themselves ever increasing salary, and there is a special staff area in the plane where the staff themselves have luxury access to the facilities. The number of economy class passengers are increasing at an alarming speed. And the passengers continue to pay higher and higher fees.
However, at this rate, the plane will come crashing down very soon. And in the midst of all, some passengers decided to come out and start serving the people out of their own will......
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Nebbermind:
:? Am I getting confused with the way US works? Can clarify?concern2:
It will be interesting to see when opposition MPs be made a Minister.
When that happens, they will not be called 'Opposition' liao! -
Dora1:
The workers will not increase even if the airline charges extra from customers, it is the company who had all the extra $$ while the workers slogged with the miserable pay.I think the situation now is not about pilot or air stewardess. Its the airline that is relentless asking money from the passengers, and making the plane exceed its carrying capacity just to make more money. The arguement is that if we don't let in more passengers, the airline will bankrupt, everyone will be grounded. And all these are happening while the pilots and some of the air stewardess are paying themselves ever increasing salary, and there is a special area for staff and business/1st class passengers in the plane where they have luxury access to the facilities and space. The number of economy class passengers are increasing at an alarming speed. And the passengers continue to pay higher and higher fees.
However, at this rate, the plane will come crashing down very soon. And in the midst of all, some passengers decided to come out and start serving to minimize their pain......
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