What is wrong (or not wrong!) with the PAP nowadays?

[janet88]

PAP has pegged itself as the ‘elite’ group.

The gap between the common citizens and govt has widened.

As a parent, I worry for my children as they grow up. Will they be living in a country where they are natural citizens (born here) and yet not be looked after/protected?

Will my children get a place to study in tertiary institutions or compete with foreigners?

Lots of worries as a parent. I can only hope and pray hard that Singapore will not become a country devoid of feelings for the future generations.

[pirate]

3Boys:

A ton of their political philosophies are rooted in the past, late '80s, early '90s. GRCs, ministerial pay.


A lot of the social engineering was LKY's ideas. Grad mum's priorities, stop at 2, sterilisation for lowly ed women.

I thought to myself that the way the party was set up in the late '80s/early '90s during the transition from LKY to GCT, would leave them in trouble for the future.

It's now come true, sadly.

Put away the rose tinted glasses, the past ain't what it's cracked up to be.

I like the current lot better.

So, in short it's a legacy problem, and it's all the Old Man's fault? :siam:

[kwcllf]

3Boys:

Too tired tonight. Not a bad caricature though, can understand why people feel this way, but not totally fair.


A ton of their political philosophies are rooted in the past, late '80s, early '90s. GRCs, ministerial pay.

A lot of the social engineering was LKY's ideas. Grad mum's priorities, stop at 2, sterilisation for lowly ed women.

I thought to myself that the way the party was set up in the late '80s/early '90s during the transition from LKY to GCT, would leave them in trouble for the future.

It's now come true, sadly.

Put away the rose tinted glasses, the past ain't what it's cracked up to be.

I like the current lot better.

Yeah, I agree. At least they are more responsive to feedback, in my opinion, unlike LKY times where unpopular policies like Grad mom scheme now backfired on him spectacularly.

Nevertheless, whether PAP policies really filtered down to the average men on the street remains debatable. Hence, the backlash from Punggol East by-election.

[3Boys]

pirate:

3Boys:

A ton of their political philosophies are rooted in the past, late '80s, early '90s. GRCs, ministerial pay.


A lot of the social engineering was LKY's ideas. Grad mum's priorities, stop at 2, sterilisation for lowly ed women.

I thought to myself that the way the party was set up in the late '80s/early '90s during the transition from LKY to GCT, would leave them in trouble for the future.

It's now come true, sadly.

Put away the rose tinted glasses, the past ain't what it's cracked up to be.

I like the current lot better.

So, in short it's a legacy problem, and it's all the Old Man's fault? :siam:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.

His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?

[pirate]

3Boys:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.


His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?

I don't quite agree that our population problem now started with the Stop At Two policy. As for the other things, I have to consult the ISD before I answer that.

[Strparent]

3Boys:

pirate:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]A ton of their political philosophies are rooted in the past, late '80s, early '90s. GRCs, ministerial pay.


A lot of the social engineering was LKY's ideas. Grad mum's priorities, stop at 2, sterilisation for lowly ed women.

I thought to myself that the way the party was set up in the late '80s/early '90s during the transition from LKY to GCT, would leave them in trouble for the future.

It's now come true, sadly.

Put away the rose tinted glasses, the past ain't what it's cracked up to be.

I like the current lot better.

So, in short it's a legacy problem, and it's all the Old Man's fault? :siam:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.

His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?[/quote]bloody heck... i agree with both of u here :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:

especially the late 80s references.... i still remember Spectrum :mad:

[JannettLee]

3Boys:

pirate:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]A ton of their political philosophies are rooted in the past, late '80s, early '90s. GRCs, ministerial pay.


A lot of the social engineering was LKY's ideas. Grad mum's priorities, stop at 2, sterilisation for lowly ed women.

I thought to myself that the way the party was set up in the late '80s/early '90s during the transition from LKY to GCT, would leave them in trouble for the future.

It's now come true, sadly.

Put away the rose tinted glasses, the past ain't what it's cracked up to be.

I like the current lot better.

So, in short it's a legacy problem, and it's all the Old Man's fault? :siam:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.

His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?[/quote]But I disagree with the current policies so it is not true that it is legacy issues la..

You agree with those policies to milk money to generate incomes for gov? :yikes:

[JannettLee]

pirate:

3Boys:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.


His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?

I don't quite agree that our population problem now started with the Stop At Two policy. As for the other things, I have to consult the ISD before I answer that.

Come to think about it! Stop at 2 may be necessary previously because of lack of employment prospects previously. Population problem is almost the whole Asian issue now. My take is stress level causing it..

[3Boys]

JannettLee:

3Boys:

[quote=\"pirate\"]
So, in short it's a legacy problem, and it's all the Old Man's fault? :siam:

In my view, quite a bit of legacy issues and quite a bit of it the old man's fault.

His son is suffering for it now, so payback I guess.

But quite a lot of what people are unhappy about have roots in the distant past, won't you agree?

But I disagree with the current policies so it is not true that it is legacy issues la..

You agree with those policies to milk money to generate incomes for gov? :yikes:[/quote]Of course generate income lah! Would you rather we be Greece??

As an individual, how much income tax did you pay this year? Now compare to other equivalent countries in the world. Hint, Singapore has the 3rd lowest income tax rate amongst developed countries, behind Hong Kong and Ireland.

Now look at GST. Amongst developed countries, how are the sales tax levels like? HK does not have, it is the exception.

After you've looked at those figures, then you tell me if garment is milking its people.

Tharman said in a speech some time back, nearly half of garment operating budget comes from investment income. That is a truly staggering figure, an incredible feat of fiscal prudence and foresight and discipline.

Any credit given?

[Mdm Koh]

3Boys:

Of course generate income lah! Would you rather we be Greece??

As an individual, how much income tax did you pay this year? Now compare to other equivalent countries in the world. Hint, Singapore has the 3rd lowest income tax rate amongst developed countries, behind Hong Kong and Ireland.

Now look at GST. Amongst developed countries, how are the sales tax levels like? HK does not have, it is the exception.

After you've looked at those figures, then you tell me if garment is milking its people.

Tharman said in a speech some time back, nearly half of garment operating budget comes from investment income. That is a truly staggering figure, an incredible feat of fiscal prudence and foresight and discipline.

Any credit given?

None of that matters if Singaporeans do not feel that our lives have improved. Our tax rates are lower than that of other developed countries, but so are our wages. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that comparing only tax rates doesn't provide the full picture. Perhaps you could share with us if our purchasing power is comparable to that of the citizens in other developed countries. And I don't mean the purchasing power of the top 10% of high earners, but the purchasing power of the middle class and lower-income group.