Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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After 6.9 million in 2030, how many millions would we need in 2060? 9 million? When will it stop?
How to make govt listen that we don't want this ponzi scheme? Petition (please don't say elect WP because we all agree that they are not ready to be the govt)? I am very pessimistic that they will listen to us because they usually carry out their plan regardless of the ground sentiments (please correct me if I am wrong). Really feel hopeless now :sad:
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough.... -
ngl2010:
Nobody knows what will happen in 2060, 2030 or even 2020. Maybe we can't even hit 6 million people by 2030 or maybe people left behind is less than 6 million people. Since you think it's like a ponzi then let the future govt worry about the problem. Why worry that life is going to tough as if it is not tough now? What can you do to change things? Since I believe there is nothing much you can do, I suggest enjoy the Singapore now while you can. Climb some hills, go some beaches for a swim or walk under some bridges before people starts living in these places.After 6.9 million in 2030, how many millions would we need in 2060? 9 million? When will it stop?
How to make govt listen that we don't want this ponzi scheme? Petition (please don't say elect WP because we all agree that they are not ready to be the govt)? I am very pessimistic that they will listen to us because they usually carry out their plan regardless of the ground sentiments (please correct me if I am wrong). Really feel hopeless now :sad:
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough....
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I think it is embarrassing for him to announce that he is a PhD student.
But then again, standards in Australia aren't that vigorous wor......sunflower:
Actually, I concur with the writer that the white paper is actually propaganda to convince us.[/quote]
http://therealsingapore.com/content/it%E2%80%99s-propaganda-paper-disguised-white-paperraysusan:
[quote]Dear All,
I am PhD research student majoring in Economics and finance.
I am writing this as simply as I can. I am writing to all Singaporeans, as a Singaporean myself not to fall for this utterly disgraceful and poorly written amateurish script called the Population Growth 2030 White Paper released by Singapore Govt............
what you guys think? -
ngl2010:
Now then you realise? [Sorry ah, sarcasm is in my blood.]
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough....
Every time opposition open their mouths to government = please spend more.
Every time government lose share of votes = spend more to buy back votes.
See where the inevitable conclusion is? Exactly, a race to buy votes.
Incidentally, we do not have a monopoly on this phenomenon. Just ask Uncle Sam.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville -
ngl2010:
How to make govt listen that we don't want this ponzi scheme? Petition (please don't say elect WP because we all agree that they are not ready to be the govt)? I am very pessimistic that they will listen to us because they usually carry out their plan regardless of the ground sentiments (please correct me if I am wrong). Really feel hopeless now :sad:
Don't just say what you don't want. Say what you want. Then think about the costs of what you want. After that, decide again whether you still want it. -
I think the reaction to the White Paper is the knee jerk reaction to Singaporean’s unhappiness with FT in general. The Govt. has miscalculated ground sentiment on this issue and has not done a good job to differentiate between SC and PR. It’s lax policy of allowing PRs to become SCs easily has also devalued being a SC.
Govt. is now trying to change course and has promised tighter control but before can implement controls snd SHOW results the White Paper comes out and again Govt. seems desperate to have many FTs as possible.
Poor timing by Govt. which shows poor reading of ground sentiment. For Singapore-born SCs who love their country it appears that Govt. is taking them for granted. White Paper may be right in its numbers and are produced by bureaucrats who work with numbers and cold, hard reality of life but politicians must learn to translate cold hard reality into digestible news for the people. Govt. has hardware and software but lacks heartware! I hope Govt. realizes this early enough otherwise people will vote opposition for the wrong reasons and when opposition itself is not ready to lead the country. Then there will be confusion.
I think part of the problem is PAP does not want charismatic politicians for fear of undue influence over people. Look at US, Barack Obama is so ill-prepared to lead a country with zero CEO or Governor experience (Senator experience is even worse than our own MP’s experience!) yet he got elected. The difference is that US is too big and strong to be affected by 1 individual, but Singapore is different.
So PAP has technocrats and nobody with charisma to fire up the passions of people and deliver news and policies that people can understand and accept. Opposition is also in the same boat except for LTK, but he can only fire up Chinese-speaking base not the English-educated base. -
The ground IS indeed very unhappy about FTs issue because ever since they open the floodgate, wages have been suppressed for most Singaporeans despite good, reasonable economic growth. On top of that, prices for space, public utilities, transports etc… has increased for everybody. Like what was succintly articulated, the profits for increased population is privatised (i.e. it benefits very few people) but the cost of it is nationalised (everybody including the middle class and the poor).
And it was clear that it has been business owners that aren’t exporters that have been lobbying for liberal "FTs" policies. Rememer that sakae Sushi’s offer of a $3K dish washing job that the boss claimed no Singaporeans weren’t keen to take up. Well it is a just wayanging to lobby to gov to allow them employ cheap foreign workers. So what if sakae Sushi price has to go up becos they can’t get cheap workers? average Singaporean has already been struggling to meet rising cost, going to restaurant is not necessity and it can be cut. Hawker centres don’t depend heavily on foreign cheap labors so the hawker centre food price won’t increase much becos of it. even if food court price does increase, then it is not a necessity too, food can be prepared at home and brought to office.
The latest jobless report says that the jobless rate has decreased further to 1.7%. So how does controlling the floodgate chase jobs away as the government claimed? -
WeiHan:
You've got it backwards again.....sigh.The ground IS indeed very unhappy about FTs issue because ever since they open the floodgate, wages have been suppressed for most Singaporeans despite good, reasonable economic growth. On top of that, prices for space, public utilities, transports etc... has increased for everybody. Like what was succintly articulated, the profits for increased population is privatised (i.e. it benefits very few people) but the cost of it is nationalised (everybody including the middle class and the poor).
The latest jobless report says that the jobless rate has decreased further to 1.7%. So how does controlling the floodgate chase jobs away as the government claimed?
If the jobless rate is low, why are people so concerned about FWs? -
3Boys:
Then the jobless rate must be high and the figure provides by government must have a hidden agenda.
You've got it backwards again.....sigh.WeiHan:
The ground IS indeed very unhappy about FTs issue because ever since they open the floodgate, wages have been suppressed for most Singaporeans despite good, reasonable economic growth. On top of that, prices for space, public utilities, transports etc... has increased for everybody. Like what was succintly articulated, the profits for increased population is privatised (i.e. it benefits very few people) but the cost of it is nationalised (everybody including the middle class and the poor).
The latest jobless report says that the jobless rate has decreased further to 1.7%. So how does controlling the floodgate chase jobs away as the government claimed?
If the jobless rate is low, why are people so concerned about FWs? -
Irrelevant:
I think many of us do feel some unhappiness.
Now then you realise? [Sorry ah, sarcasm is in my blood.]ngl2010:
Btw, I think last year the govt also said that they will increase income tax. Not now but in the future. Life is going to be very very tough....
Every time opposition open their mouths to government = please spend more.
Every time government lose share of votes = spend more to buy back votes.
See where the inevitable conclusion is? Exactly, a race to buy votes.
It is ok to express your feelings.
Before election, give money...buy the hearts (sorry I am sarcastic now).
After the tragic accident, traffic police stepping up patrols. Road offences only seem more obvious now?
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