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    Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?

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    • P Offline
      pirate
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      Mdm Koh:
      The \"cost\" is that we will have to actually find a real solution to the problem, instead of go round in circles. This \"cost\" may be in the form of \"painful\" decisions where Singapore and Singaporeans will have to work harder to achieve desired outcomes (all the painful consequences that pirate wrote about may come true). Our expectations of standard of living may have to be adjusted. However, these consequences will only affect us in the short run. In the long run, if policies are well-implemented, we will benefit from having a strong Singaporean society and an economy that is better able to adapt to change.

      Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb. So, I have serious doubts that Singaporeans are prepared to pay the price or make the sacrifice necessary to adapt to change.

      Just yesterday(?) there was a newspaper article about people raising a stink because a stallholder in some coffeeshop increased his kopi price from $0.90 to $1.00 during the CNY period and never reduced it after that. All I have to say is feel free to go sell kopi if you think coffeeshop stallholders are 'profiteering'. Surely, our PMETs know how to make kopi, right?

      Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.

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        Joule
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        [quote]
        Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.[/quote]I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la land

        thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays

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          Joule:
          [quote]
          Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.
          I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la land

          thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays[/quote]But I make no comment about whether the senior executives of some GLCs enjoy inflated remuneration packages, which then make their way into the calculation of pay for political offices. What was it again? The 'median' of the top 100 income earners?

          Senior executives are technically \"PMETs\" too, yes?

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            Joule
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            pirate:
            Joule:

            [quote]
            Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.

            I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la land

            thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays

            But I make no comment about whether the senior executives of some GLCs enjoy inflated remuneration packages, which then make their way into the calculation of pay for political offices. What was it again? The 'median' of the top 100 income earners?

            Senior executives are technically \"PMETs\" too, yes?[/quote]oh stop it you šŸ˜‰

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              Musings
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              pirate:
              Mdm Koh:

              The \"cost\" is that we will have to actually find a real solution to the problem, instead of go round in circles. This \"cost\" may be in the form of \"painful\" decisions where Singapore and Singaporeans will have to work harder to achieve desired outcomes (all the painful consequences that pirate wrote about may come true). Our expectations of standard of living may have to be adjusted. However, these consequences will only affect us in the short run. In the long run, if policies are well-implemented, we will benefit from having a strong Singaporean society and an economy that is better able to adapt to change.


              Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb. So, I have serious doubts that Singaporeans are prepared to pay the price or make the sacrifice necessary to adapt to change.

              Just yesterday(?) there was a newspaper article about people raising a stink because a stallholder in some coffeeshop increased his kopi price from $0.90 to $1.00 during the CNY period and never reduced it after that. All I have to say is feel free to go sell kopi if you think coffeeshop stallholders are 'profiteering'. Surely, our PMETs know how to make kopi, right?

              Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.

              I think that is the crux of the problem. It wasn't so long ago that residents in Braddell View kicked up a fuss when the MCST dared to ask residents to volunteer to clean their own estate's common areas.

              But that is the reality if you want to raise the wages of the low income groups - Singaporeans as a whole has to either pay more or clean themselves.

              Cleaning and nursing are examples of some labour intensive activities because it is not something you can outsource offshore (like Helpdesk calls) and yet we don't welcome the legions of foreign workers who does the dirty work for us.

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                pirate:


                ....Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.
                :goodpost:

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                  dorisp:
                  pirate:



                  ....Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.

                  :goodpost:

                  I couldn't agree more!!!

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                    Mdm Koh
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                    Perhaps we should not discuss PMETs as though they belong to a homogenous group. There may be great disparities in salaries.


                    Which GLCs have attractive remuneration packages? Do share the information, so that I can recommend them to my friends. šŸ˜‚

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                      dorisp:
                      pirate:



                      ....Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.

                      :goodpost:

                      ya boy, then kpkb that the gov is not doing enough to help the low income group.

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                        Joule
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                        Mdm Koh:
                        Perhaps we should not discuss PMETs as though they belong to a homogenous group. There may be great disparities in salaries.


                        Which GLCs have attractive remuneration packages? Do share the information, so that I can recommend them to my friends. šŸ˜‚
                        the one that deals with shipping and starts with a K

                        5 months bonus apparently for permstaff

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