Are you ready for 7 million people on tiny Singapore?
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Harlequin:
The \"cost\" is that we will have to actually find a real solution to the problem, instead of go round in circles. This \"cost\" may be in the form of \"painful\" decisions where Singapore and Singaporeans will have to work harder to achieve desired outcomes (all the painful consequences that pirate wrote about may come true). Our expectations of standard of living may have to be adjusted. However, these consequences will only affect us in the short run. In the long run, if policies are well-implemented, we will benefit from having a strong Singaporean society and an economy that is better able to adapt to change.Pirate mentioned this:- don't just say (know) what we don't want...
Say/know what we want, (and may I add) and if we do get what we want, what's the costs?
Cost to cost.
May I refer you to this article from the Institute of Policy Studies?
http://ipscommons.sg/index.php/categories/featured/117-seeing-the-invisible-gorillas-the-politics-of-the-population-white-paper-debate
The government's solution is not a solution. It is a postponement of the problems to a later date. There is no end-point in 2030. It is a random year on a piece of (white) paper. In real life, the country has to keep going. Yet we cannot possibly continue bringing in more and more immigrants to sustain our growth.
The future government at that time will have to solve even bigger problems than those we are facing now. -
Mdm Koh:
if you don't know what you want, at least know what you don't wantPirate,
If a policy is already not working well, why do we continue to defend it? The alternative may not be perfect but it's not like things are going well enough for us to make a strong case for the current system.
what I also learn from playing city building computer games like simcity
you need immigrants for business expansion and taxation and consumption
so therefore: companies would lose profits, gahmen would lose tax revenue and businesses would not expand and temasek will not grow revenues, shareholders would not be happy. companies may fold, move away, retrench the PMETs. (but seriously how many PMETs are not from singapore anyway = p)
they also would lose 1 mil people worth of cheap gahmen loans aka CPF as per their projection planning
they would also lose gambling revenue and money laundering revenue =[
thing is, on city building game, I one click and the house appears and the map can be as big as the stage allows -
Mdm Koh:
I say \"maybe\" hor. I can use the same tack and ask, is there any evidence to show that they are not?Pirate,
Why do you think that the salaries of PMETs are \"inflated\"? Are you saying that they are being paid more than their deserved wages because of cost savings by companies that hire cheap foreigners? -
Mdm Koh:
The \"cost\" is that we will have to actually find a real solution to the problem, instead of go round in circles. This \"cost\" may be in the form of \"painful\" decisions where Singapore and Singaporeans will have to work harder to achieve desired outcomes (all the painful consequences that pirate wrote about may come true). Our expectations of standard of living may have to be adjusted. However, these consequences will only affect us in the short run. In the long run, if policies are well-implemented, we will benefit from having a strong Singaporean society and an economy that is better able to adapt to change.
Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb. So, I have serious doubts that Singaporeans are prepared to pay the price or make the sacrifice necessary to adapt to change.
Just yesterday(?) there was a newspaper article about people raising a stink because a stallholder in some coffeeshop increased his kopi price from $0.90 to $1.00 during the CNY period and never reduced it after that. All I have to say is feel free to go sell kopi if you think coffeeshop stallholders are 'profiteering'. Surely, our PMETs know how to make kopi, right?
Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages. -
[quote]
Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.[/quote]I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la land
thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays -
Joule:
I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la land[quote]
Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.
thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays[/quote]But I make no comment about whether the senior executives of some GLCs enjoy inflated remuneration packages, which then make their way into the calculation of pay for political offices. What was it again? The 'median' of the top 100 income earners?
Senior executives are technically \"PMETs\" too, yes? -
pirate:
But I make no comment about whether the senior executives of some GLCs enjoy inflated remuneration packages, which then make their way into the calculation of pay for political offices. What was it again? The 'median' of the top 100 income earners?
I would recommend that CEO and directors get a pay cut and real estate controlling companies reduce rent in order to keep prices stable but I smacked myself in the face and realized I was living in the real world, not la la landJoule:
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Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb.
thats the problem, everything is 'private' nowadays
Senior executives are technically \"PMETs\" too, yes?[/quote]oh stop it you
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pirate:
I think that is the crux of the problem. It wasn't so long ago that residents in Braddell View kicked up a fuss when the MCST dared to ask residents to volunteer to clean their own estate's common areas.Mdm Koh:
The \"cost\" is that we will have to actually find a real solution to the problem, instead of go round in circles. This \"cost\" may be in the form of \"painful\" decisions where Singapore and Singaporeans will have to work harder to achieve desired outcomes (all the painful consequences that pirate wrote about may come true). Our expectations of standard of living may have to be adjusted. However, these consequences will only affect us in the short run. In the long run, if policies are well-implemented, we will benefit from having a strong Singaporean society and an economy that is better able to adapt to change.
Yalor. In another thread, I advocated reducing the number of low-skilled foreign workers. This will cause our low-income workers' wages to go up. It will also mean that we will likely have to pay more for some of those things we have taken for granted, such as bus fares, hawker food etc. There was quite a bit of kpkb. So, I have serious doubts that Singaporeans are prepared to pay the price or make the sacrifice necessary to adapt to change.
Just yesterday(?) there was a newspaper article about people raising a stink because a stallholder in some coffeeshop increased his kopi price from $0.90 to $1.00 during the CNY period and never reduced it after that. All I have to say is feel free to go sell kopi if you think coffeeshop stallholders are 'profiteering'. Surely, our PMETs know how to make kopi, right?
Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.
But that is the reality if you want to raise the wages of the low income groups - Singaporeans as a whole has to either pay more or clean themselves.
Cleaning and nursing are examples of some labour intensive activities because it is not something you can outsource offshore (like Helpdesk calls) and yet we don't welcome the legions of foreign workers who does the dirty work for us. -
pirate:
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....Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages. -
dorisp:
I couldn't agree more!!!
:goodpost:pirate:
....Sometimes I get the impression that while some Singaporeans say they want our low income groups to be able to have higher income, these same Singaporeans want somebody else other than themselves to contribute towards those increased wages.
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