Using Relative's Address & Statutory Declaration

[sembgal]

ChiefKiasu:

sembgal:

Senario 1.

The child is being looked after by grandparent who is not employed and the child studied in a kindergarten near the grandparent's place. If both parents are working full-time, statutory declaration can be made. The grandparent's address can be used for the purpose of registration.Now, at the point of declaration, both parents are working. Now what if one of the parents has left the job or converted to flexi hours, will the child be penalised by MOE? That means if the child can get balloted into a school, will MOE penalise the child just because one of the parent is no longer working full-time after statutory declaration was made. Anyone can advise?

It is impossible for MOE to track all eventualities. MOE can only verify and use information that is true at the point of registration. As long as you can prove that both parents were gainfully employed when registering the child, it will be sufficient.

Chief Kiasu, thanks.
Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration? For recent employment letters, how recent do MOE take into account if the parents have been in the same company for 4 or 5 years?

[tankee]

sembgal:

Chief Kiasu, thanks.
Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration? For recent employment letters, how recent do MOE take into account if the parents have been in the same company for 4 or 5 years?

the usual norm is within the past few weeks, so either a letter from the company HR bearing the company letterhead or the previous month payslip.

Not sure what is MOE's requirement.

[sembgal]

tankee:

sembgal:

Chief Kiasu, thanks.
Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration? For recent employment letters, how recent do MOE take into account if the parents have been in the same company for 4 or 5 years?

the usual norm is within the past few weeks, so either a letter from the company HR bearing the company letterhead or the previous month payslip.

Not sure what is MOE's requirement.

I think pay slip is a good one to back up that the parents are working full time in a company as the starting date joined the company is also reflected in pay slip. Even if I want to get a BTO flat from HDB, I need to show past 3 months payslips.

Thank you Tankee.

Anyone can advise? Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration?

[qms]

sembgal:

Anyone can advise? Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration?

I think this is possible. If your child is unsuccessful in P2C, your child's record is \"erased\" from MOE's system. So, you start from a clean slate in P2CS. Parents usually choose schools that are nearer to their homes in P2CS (assuming they aim for schools further and hence they opt for statutory declaration). So, I believe the scenario you mentioned is rather common.

However, this is my guess only. Best to check with MOE.

By the way, full employment of both parents does not mean your application for statutory declaration will definitely be approved. One member feedback here last year that if the child were in childcare centre in K2, MOE might not approve the statutory declaration. It's mentioned somewhere in this thread, I think.

[sembgal]

qms:

sembgal:

Anyone can advise? Now I have another question. If my child fails to get in through balloting in Phase 2C using statutory declaration, can I register my child in another school with availability in Phrase 2Cs without using statutory declaration but my own residence address, not grandparent address, can ?? Is there a need to void the statutory declaration?

I think this is possible. If your child is unsuccessful in P2C, your child's record is \"erased\" from MOE's system. So, you start from a clean slate in P2CS. Parents usually choose schools that are nearer to their homes in P2CS (assuming they aim for schools further and hence they opt for statutory declaration). So, I believe the scenario you mentioned is rather common.

However, this is my guess only. Best to check with MOE.

By the way, full employment of both parents does not mean your application for statutory declaration will definitely be approved. One member feedback here last year that if the child were in childcare centre in K2, MOE might not approve the statutory declaration. It's mentioned somewhere in this thread, I think.

Thank you qms. I am fully aware that if a child is in Childcare for full day and grandparents take care, the statutory declaration will not be approved. The child must be studying in a kindergarten and parents can show proof that the child has been under the daycare of grandparents as both parents are working full time, using the parents' payslips and parents' company appointment letters.

[phtthp]

sembgal:

I am fully aware that if a child is in Childcare for full day and grandparents take care, the statutory declaration will not be approved. The child must be studying in a kindergarten and parents can show proof that the child has been under the daycare of grandparents as both parents are working full time, using the parents' payslips and parents' company appointment letters.

both parents must be working, but grandparents cannot be working.
How to prove to moe that the child's grandparents are not working ?

[sembgal]

phtthp:

sembgal:

I am fully aware that if a child is in Childcare for full day and grandparents take care, the statutory declaration will not be approved. The child must be studying in a kindergarten and parents can show proof that the child has been under the daycare of grandparents as both parents are working full time, using the parents' payslips and parents' company appointment letters.

both parents must be working, but grandparents cannot be working.
How to prove to moe that the child's grandparents are not working ?

According to a reliable source that I know, it is more important to prove that the child is under the full time care of grandparent- grandma for example. The child has to be declared as staying overnight with grandparents on weekdays nights for her kindergarten education. Parents may need to indicate the number of years that the child has been taken care of by grandparent.

If the child just converted to kindergarten from childcare this year, it may not be possible to get approval for statutory declaration from MOE. MOE is not stupid also- if a parent converts the K2 child from Childcare to kindergarten setting within these few months, you think MOE doesn't know what parents are trying to achieve?

To prove that grandparent is not working is simple. Every year, the kindergarten will give a form to update particulars (in case of emergency whom to contact) and the caregiver of the child: grandma's name has to be included with her residence address and contact number. MOE can always verify with the child's kindergarten. The kindergarten will keep records on those forms.

If the child is taking school bus to and from grandparent's place to kindergarten, the bus transport company keeps record of that too that the child is picked up from grandparent's place and sent to kindergarten.

It all depends on how MOE is convinced before giving that statutory declaration letter.

[phtthp]

Since first week of July is the start of registration for 2014 p1 intake, when is the dateline (is there a dateline ?) to submit these application form(s) for statutory approval? In case there’s hiccup along the way, and moe want to verify the accuracy of all the documentation submitted to them, before they decide to approve or reject your statutory declaration submitted ?

[sembgal]

phtthp:

Since first week of July is the start of registration for 2014 p1 intake, when is the dateline (is there a dateline ?) to submit these application form(s) for statutory approval? In case there's hiccup along the way, and moe want to verify the accuracy of all the documentation submitted to them, before they decide to approve or reject your statutory declaration submitted ?

Are you referring to deadline? I think the statutory declaration will start 1st July lasting for 6 weeks. Just guessing based on past year statutory declaration. One of the child's parent have to go to MOE with the grandparent to prove that they are related. Please dig out Birth Certificate because the BC will state the parent relationship with the grandparent. MOE also want to see that the grandparent is healthy and capable of looking after herself physically as well as the grandchild. You can't be bringing the grandparent in wheelchair to MOE to declare with the maid and said the grandma is taking care of grandchild. MOE won't believe it because in this case it's obvious that the parent is making use of the loophole.

[phtthp]

Talking about loophole, make me wonder ...


How about those parents who place their child at their grandparent's place with maid ? So is actually the maid looking after the child, not the grandparent right ? But they conveniently declare is the grandparent looking after the child.

Unless the grandparent's place no maid, then is a different story.

So what is moe stand now ?
Park your child at grandparent's house with a maid -
also approve or outright reject the statutory declaration ?