DSA 2023
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For dual track school, if DSA offered is for express and confimed, in the event the child managed to score well for PSLE and get previous year COP IP range, is a appeal allowed in the same school to go from express to IP, any successful case? Thanks!
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MotherHere\" post_id=\"2098036\" time=\"1676688027\" user_id=\"198562:
not sure if things have changed.
For dual track school, if DSA offered is for express and confimed, in the event the child managed to score well for PSLE and get previous year COP IP range, is a appeal allowed in the same school to go from express to IP, any successful case? Thanks!
suggest that u call up that particular, dual track Secondary school which u are interested in, request to speak to the VP (Academic), in charge of DSA. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2098004\" time=\"1676648914\" user_id=\"97579:
Totally agree 各有千秋
Not to be anal but 3 in 10 isn't 30% and 1 in 4 isn't 25%. Part of the reason publicist often present the data in this way, is to obfuscate the true %ages.
Based on publicly available info:
HCI vs RI
1. ??? vs 98% achieved 3 H2 passes
2. Four out of 10 scored 4 H2 distinctions and above vs 43% scored distinctions in all four subjects
3. Six out of 10 attained 3 H2 Distinctions and above vs 58% scored at least 3H2 distinctions in their content-based subjects
4. Three out of 10 had a perfect UAS of 90 vs one in four had a perfect UAS of 90
5. 8 out of 10 scored distinctions for H2 Literature in English - same same
6. 7 out of 10 scored distinctions for H2 History - same same
7. 6 out of 10 scored distinctions for H2 Geography, Economics - same same
8. 6 out of 10 scored distinctions for H2 Biology, Chemistry, Physics vs 7 out of 10 scoring distinctions in Biology, Chemistry, Physics
9. 8 out of 10 scored distinctions for H2 Mathematics vs 7 out of 10 scoring distinctions in Mathematics
10. 5 out of 10 scored distinctions for H1 General Paper vs 6 out of 10 scoring distinctions in General Paper
11. ??? vs mean UAS of 84.4
12. Median UAS of 88 vs ???
13. HCI 2017 intake COP - 259 and NYGH - 264 vs RI - 260 and RGS - 261
14. HCI (JC) and RI (JC) 2021 intake COP - 5 / 4 (same same)
The data above suggests 各有千秋. I don't think we can say with certainty that A is better than B, or B is better at 'value-adding' than A. Both schools are certainly top of their game.
Interestingly RI has updated their webpage to include the median this morning.
Hci median UAS 88 vs RI median UAS 88.
With below numbers not published by hci, we still do not know how the entire cohort has done, and whether is there any student left behind.
Hci vs RI
??? vs 98% achieved 3 H2 passes
??? vs mean UAS of 84.4
One thing we know for sure - there are some hci/nygh IP students in this 2022 A level batch who had to do o levels instead of through train via IP to A levels. So the weaker ones were sieved out midway. Since this is a dsa2023 chat for P6 parents, this is perhaps an important consideration for parents who wants a school which is inclusive, who can take your kids through the IP journey to A levels, and not drop them halfway. Indeed data can only tells us this much… value add can be subjective because our child is not a number or a % - the school that can bring out the best in your child, is a good school.
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lassie girl\" post_id=\"2098066\" time=\"1676693840\" user_id=\"35383:[quote=\"lassie girl\" post_id=2098066 time=1676693840 user_id=35383]
Interesting RI added the median, probably due to knowledge of HCI median!
Totally agree 各有千秋
Interestingly RI has updated their webpage to include the median this morning.
Hci median UAS 88 vs RI median UAS 88.
With below numbers not published by hci, we still do not know how the entire cohort has done, and whether is there any student left behind.
Hci vs RI
??? vs 98% achieved 3 H2 passes
??? vs mean UAS of 84.4
One thing we know for sure - there are some hci/nygh IP students in this 2022 A level batch who had to do o levels instead of through train via IP to A levels. So the weaker ones were sieved out midway. Since this is a dsa2023 chat for P6 parents, this is perhaps an important consideration for parents who wants a school which is inclusive, who can take your kids through the IP journey to A levels, and not drop them halfway. Indeed data can only tells us this much… value add can be subjective because our child is not a number or a % - the school that can bring out the best in your child, is a good school.
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Last year RI mean is 85 whereas HCI is 85.2. Last year RI cohort 40% 90 versus HCI 30% 90.
Seem like this year HCI maintains whereas RI drops further.
Just note in RI/RGS sec going JC, if prelim is below 50%, these weaker students are retained for the year, and not do O level. -
The clutching-at-straws mentality over 1% and 1 point difference is really not helpful.
Assuming the size of the cohort is similar, we are probably talking about a difference of less than 10 students. When the size of the cohort is not even similar (as in the case here), any discussion / comparison is moot when the data is incomplete.
But... we are probably old enough to understand that if people need to win an argument to feel shiok, we should let it be. Take it as a good deed a day lor
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Notwithstanding, I believe both schools take a similar approach with regard to weaker students - retain or transfer. At the end of the day, with reference to DSA 2023, it's a point for parents who think their child might struggle with the higher demands from RI / RGS and HCI / NYGH to consider. -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2098074\" time=\"1676695623\" user_id=\"26004:
Not interested in the debate.
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Last year RI mean is 85 whereas HCI is 85.2. Last year RI cohort 40% 90 versus HCI 30% 90.
Seem like this year HCI maintains whereas RI drops further.
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But the part in bold is just wrong. It was 32% (2021 A Level Results) and the five years prior (2016-2020) the range was 27%-31%.
https://rafflespress.com/2022/02/22/a-level-results-2022-keep-our-colours-flying/ -
floppy\" post_id=\"2098076\" time=\"1676696258\" user_id=\"97579:
Totally agree!
But... we are probably old enough to understand that if people need to win an argument to feel shiok, we should let it be. Take it as a good deed a day lor
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floppy\" post_id=\"2098076\" time=\"1676696258\" user_id=\"97579:
Not interested in the specific debate. However, I am curious as to what you define as \"not even similar?\"
The clutching-at-straws mentality over 1% and 1 point difference is really not helpful.
Assuming the size of the cohort is similar, we are probably talking about a difference of less than 10 students. When the size of the cohort is not even similar (as in the case here), any discussion / comparison is moot when the data is incomplete.
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RI was 1,126 students this year (2022 A Levels), I would think HCI is ~1,000+ or within 10% (roughly speaking). -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2098082\" time=\"1676699119\" user_id=\"188234:
U are right, both JC sections are largest in Singapore, both took in about 800 IP + 300 to 350 JAE students every year. Their cohort size is similar.
Not interested in the specific debate. However, I am curious as to what you define as \"not even similar?\"
RI was 1,126 students this year (2022 A Levels), I would think HCI is ~1,000+ or within 10% (roughly speaking). -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2098084\" time=\"1676700142\" user_id=\"26004:
HCI college total intake around 1000, whereas RI is around 1200. 20% difference
U are right, both JC sections are largest in Singapore, both took in about 800 IP + 300 to 350 JAE students every year. Their cohort size is similar.
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