PSLE 2012 - Results Discussion

[ruohoo97]

Sad Person:

I thought that the paper was easy but then my marks was unexpected low... What Happened?? :? :?:

If you really think that was unexpected... you may consider to re-check your paper. Go to MOE site to find out exact details. I think you need to pay $50 for one paper?

[Melodies]

ruohoo97:

I beg different view here. This year, the dragon cohort has increased 3000 more candidates, that is about 6% increase. Notably, this year's percentage into Express stream is slightly higher than last year. While top scorers which are above 250 are constantly about 10% of each cohort; while top 3%, EESIS awarded students are constantly >260-263, so the increase of any particular T score group is no surprise.

Furthermore, T-score is also a placement score to allocate students into secondary schools. The increase of T -score from year to year has no correlation with the academic ability of whole cohort from year to year; You will notice that the COP of schools in fact do not fluctuate that much, rather, the different T score of different schools within the same cohort speaks volume of schools'ability in producing academically able students.

I had the same opinion at first, upon looking at Demographics of population of 2011 and 2012, I have come to this point. As you rightfully pointed out, 6% increase in population this year, the increase of any particular T score group is not surprise but NOT to this extent of a few hundred % of the students who score extremely well in certain group. As you know the increase of T -score from year to year has no correlation with the academic ability of whole cohort from year to year, I'm referring to the Demographics of this year versus last year but not so much on the increase of T -score from year to year.

Honestly, I'm not sure if 250 is still true indication of top 10% of this year cohort and so as >260-263 are top 3%. I am still looking for the answer.

[GLORYmum]

lee_yl:

Novena. Like MGS, SCGS does not produce PSLE top scorers in Singapore. Rather, the cohort performs
well as a whole and this can be seen from their % of quality passes.

Oops Thot SCGS is along Bukit timah canal. Thanks for the correction.
Wat is the quality pass for SCGS ?

[ruohoo97]

The top 10% of cohort will be offered three categories of third language; while top 3% of cohort are offered EESIS; that is why to confirm those T score, is the key to find out your inquiry.


Nevertheless, I do agree with you that certain Top school’s COP will go up this year, maybe NYGH and HCI? what do you think?

[kwcllf]

Sad Person:

I thought that the paper was easy but then my marks was unexpected low... What Happened?? :? :?:

It is becos exam is relatively easy, the average score of the whole cohort is high. That means if you get high score, many students also scored high. When translated into bell curve, the T score is adjusted and it will moderated.

The same thing happened to my kid. He is very good in maths and scored A*. But many of his classmates that are usually not as strong as him in the subject also scored A*. This had the effect of pulling the T score down.

There have been many complaints in the past that the paper was too difficult. If it was difficult, it will differentiate those are very strong in the subject and those that are not.

Unfortunately, the MOE seems to have caved in to the many past complaints that certain questions are \"exceptionally\" difficult.

[Melodies]

ruohoo97:

The top 10% of cohort will be offered three categories of third language; while top 3% of cohort are offered EESIS; that is why to confirm those T score, is the key to find out your inquiry.


Nevertheless, I do agree with you that certain Top school's COP will go up this year, maybe NYGH and HCI? what do you think?

That's why I started a thread this morning to find out the top 10% of cohort. As for finding out top 3%, Jtoh had already started a thread.

In general, I think COP for all top schools (not just NYGH and HCI) will go up this year.

[4carebears]

Kwcllf, absolutely agree w your post. If one study the logic of the whole psle system and the result it aims to pull, it’s not impossible to see why it is all going. To sieve the creme de la creme (in turns of academic results) so the process they can identify potential scholars, leaders, top positions in this govt? It is simply an academic exercise and my guess is they will alternate the difficulty of the papers each year , to manage the parents at large. Just my 2 cents.

[cherryc]

Melodies:

Some observations for this year PSLE results:

1) NYPS alone, about 43 students score 270 and above this year. My observation is that there are too many of them this year as compared to 2011. (this is about the figure for the whole nation last year, I could be wrong and please feel free to correct me and clarify.)

2) Same observation of having many who has scored 270's in other top primary schools too.

3) It looks like many neighborhood schools are producing some top performers who have scored 270's now.

What does that tell us? Hmmm :scratchhead:

Anyone can weigh in?

The list is going to be like:
+ It looks like Neighborhood schools are not bad after all.
+ Cut off point in top sec schools will go up? :yikes: n go on...
+...
+..

On top of more than 40 kids scoring above 270, Nanyang has also a very high percentage (50% ???) of kids who scored above 250 while the percentage going to Express course nationwide is only 63%. IN addition, some schools' highest scores are only 270 or below , I wonder if MOE can throw some light into this. Maybe other schools are teaching the wrong things or not teaching effectively despite having very hardworking teachers or other socioeconomic factors …and despite the fact of so many students going for tuition.

In addition, giving us info of percentage quality passes will give us a clearer picture of the subjects in the schools which have shown improvement and those which need to be improved. It is not uncommon to see quality passes hovering around 50% for some subjects in some schools.

[Melodies]

cherryc:

Melodies:

Some observations for this year PSLE results:

1) NYPS alone, about 43 students score 270 and above this year. My observation is that there are too many of them this year as compared to 2011. (this is about the figure for the whole nation last year, I could be wrong and please feel free to correct me and clarify.)

2) Same observation of having many who has scored 270's in other top primary schools too.

3) It looks like many neighborhood schools are producing some top performers who have scored 270's now.

What does that tell us? Hmmm :scratchhead:

Anyone can weigh in?

The list is going to be like:
+ It looks like Neighborhood schools are not bad after all.
+ Cut off point in top sec schools will go up? :yikes: n go on...
+...
+..

On top of more than 40 kids scoring above 270, Nanyang has also a very high percentage (50% ???) of kids who scored above 250 while the percentage going to Express course nationwide is only 63%. IN addition, some schools highest scorers are only 270 or below , I wonder if MOE can throw some light into this. Maybe other schools are teaching the wrong things despite having very hardworking teachers …and despite the fact of so many students going for tuition.

cherryc, Nanyang had abt 47% of kids who scored above 250 last year. So, to me, this is still consistent with previous year. The question probably is why Nanyang can consistently churn out good results while other schools can't deliver the results? Or Rather, why GEP schools can produce good results but other schools can't? Spill-over materials from GEP classes to the mainstream classes and hence those mainstreamers in Nanyang are benefited?

[Abigail16]

Hi I need help. My child got 254+1. Is it ok to apply as such

1) Dunman High
2) TJC
3) Cedar IP
4) St Nic IP
5) Cedar O
6) St Nic O
Would really appreciate some advise.