DSA 2012

[papertree]

angrybirdsfan79:

Who else is going for the RI GAT next wed?

My DS is going for GAT test RI next Wed. 3.30pm to 4.30pm, I think the chance is very slim and DS insisted to give it a try. All the best to our DS.

[Snow Crystal]

Whylikethat888:

Many people ( teachers, students & parents) don't understand the rationale behind NYGH's current reluctance to offer DSAs to non- GEP NYPS students. Last year, many excellent students from the HA classes at NYPS were not offered DSA to NYGH for no obvious reason. As expected, many felt that their own sister school did not value them nor gave NYPS any face. .

Maybe it's due to the earlier batches of non GEP NYPS students 'ditching' the NYGH COs by accepting RGS or NUSH COs eventually. This is called 'once bitten, twice shy' - NYGH must have quite a number of rejected COs from this group of children who have multiple COs. Thus, before parents blame NYGH for not giving NYPS face or value them, please investigate past history if this was the case. Well, the sec schools have to wise up too... They also don't like to be taken for a ride. Eg another IP NJC also rejects many GEPs and high performing mainstreamers as they must have experienced high rejection rate previously from these groups for their COs. From the sch's angle, COs are precious and they would rather give to those with lower chance of multiple COs or who have really demonstrated commitment to accept CO if offered probably during interview. There is no point organizing such an elaborate DSA and then face rejection of their very precious COs. Also, most importantly NYGH is an affiliated sec sch of NYPS, so NYPS girls need only 250 (including HCL bonus point) to enter via PSLE S1. Thus if NYGH ascertain that the girls are of 250+ calibre, why give to them CO, might as well give to other school girls who may not meet 262 high S1 COP but with talents that NYGH wants. I guess if the parents think from a broader big picture and from their sister school NYGH's angle, it should not be difficult to understand NYGH's perceived 'reluctance' to give NYPS mainstreamers COs. In fact, a NYPS girl in a top class capable of achieving say 255++ and above PSLE score should not need to apply to NYGH DSA...perhaps to us outsiders that is the puzzling part Also, as an outsider, it's also surprising to hear affiliated pri Sch thinking this way of their affiliated sec Sch. Wouldn't most like to continue to NYGH due to sense of affinity and belonging? All the best to the PSLE!

[8228]

Whylikethat888:

Many people ( teachers, students & parents) don't understand the rationale behind NYGH's current reluctance to offer DSAs to non- GEP NYPS students. Last year, many excellent students from the HA classes at NYPS were not offered DSA to NYGH for no obvious reason. As expected, many felt that their own sister school did not value them nor gave NYPS any face.


Some of these children and parents retaliated by opting for RGS/NUS HIGH the minute PSLE results were out. Once the talented older sister in P6 goes to RGS/ NUS HIGH, the younger siblings will almost automatically follow. This is already happening.

It seems like an unnecessary loss for the Nanyang family. It is also a waste because NYPS had spent 6 years instilling Nanyang values into the students only to lose excellent students to other schools which welcome them with open arms. If bilingualism is valued and encouraged, NYGH should try retain its highly bilingual students from its sister school.

Just wonder where or how you got the above info?

[peterch]

I went to 2 DSA Sport trial yesterday and I just want to share our experience with KSP parents.


At school X, any children could come and register and then they were told to play and show the skill they have but I was surprised as the coach didn't really pay attention to them :? . But after a while 10 of them were chosen :shock: None of academic results were questioned at all.

At school Y, only shortlisted children were invited for the trial and each of them was tested individually by the coach for their ability in relevant sport's technique. Maybe because the number of shortlisted children is much lesser than school X.

So I guessed, at school X, luck is playing part too as a child may do well but the coach happened not to notice him/her as he was busy chatting with some parents :scratchhead: But the coach never realized that from 10 children he had chosen, more than half of them were shortlisted at school Y and most of them stand a good chance to get CO from school Y. And school Y's COP was much higher in the past years. :evil:

[Love iPad]

Which sport is it? Tot kids need to be short listed before allow to go for trial.

[peterch]

Love iPad:

Which sport is it? Tot kids need to be short listed before allow to go for trial.

Basketball. That's the way they did for years and I think they are the only one who do that

[junrahmat]

peterch:

I went to 2 DSA Sport trial yesterday and I just want to share our experience with KSP parents.


At school X, any children could come and register and then they were told to play and show the skill they have but I was surprised as the coach didn't really pay attention to them :? . But after a while 10 of them were chosen :shock: None of academic results were questioned at all.

At school Y, only shortlisted children were invited for the trial and each of them was tested individually by the coach for their ability in relevant sport's technique. Maybe because the number of shortlisted children is much lesser than school X.

So I guessed, at school X, luck is playing part too as a child may do well but the coach happened not to notice him/her as he was busy chatting with some parents :scratchhead: But the coach never realized that from 10 children he had chosen, more than half of them were shortlisted at school Y and most of them stand a good chance to get CO from school Y. And school Y's COP was much higher in the past years. :evil:

I'm not surprised if those 10 kids were actually invited by the coach to come for the trial. I know of a girl who did not apply for DSA to school A, but the school's coach invited her for a trial and immediately offered her a place in the team, while other kids had to meet the DSA submission dateline, and had to be shortlisted before being invited for a trial. So ultimately, it's the coach who decides whom he wants in his team. Some how I feel that the form submission, being shortlisted and all, are just formalities.

[Whylikethat888]

Snow Crystal:

Whylikethat888:

Many people ( teachers, students & parents) don't understand the rationale behind NYGH's current reluctance to offer DSAs to non- GEP NYPS students. Last year, many excellent students from the HA classes at NYPS were not offered DSA to NYGH for no obvious reason. As expected, many felt that their own sister school did not value them nor gave NYPS any face. .

Maybe it's due to the earlier batches of non GEP NYPS students 'ditching' the NYGH COs by accepting RGS or NUSH COs eventually. This is called 'once bitten, twice shy' - NYGH must have quite a number of rejected COs from this group of children who have multiple COs. Thus, before parents blame NYGH for not giving NYPS face or value them, please investigate past history if this was the case. Well, the sec schools have to wise up too... They also don't like to be taken for a ride. Eg another IP NJC also rejects many GEPs and high performing mainstreamers as they must have experienced high rejection rate previously from these groups for their COs. From the sch's angle, COs are precious and they would rather give to those with lower chance of multiple COs or who have really demonstrated commitment to accept CO if offered probably during interview. There is no point organizing such an elaborate DSA and then face rejection of their very precious COs. Also, most importantly NYGH is an affiliated sec sch of NYPS, so NYPS girls need only 250 (including HCL bonus point) to enter via PSLE S1. Thus if NYGH ascertain that the girls are of 250+ calibre, why give to them CO, might as well give to other school girls who may not meet 262 high S1 COP but with talents that NYGH wants. I guess if the parents think from a broader big picture and from their sister school NYGH's angle, it should not be difficult to understand NYGH's perceived 'reluctance' to give NYPS mainstreamers COs. In fact, a NYPS girl in a top class capable of achieving say 255++ and above PSLE score should not need to apply to NYGH DSA...perhaps to us outsiders that is the puzzling part Also, as an outsider, it's also surprising to hear affiliated pri Sch thinking this way of their affiliated sec Sch. Wouldn't most like to continue to NYGH due to sense of affinity and belonging? All the best to the PSLE!

Thanks! I can see your point although from what we hear, there were quite a few talented individuals who were very serious about going to NYGH last year & were bitterly disappointed. They were upset because they felt that NYGH did not appreciate their strong loyalty and Nanyang spirit. Obviously, these students enjoyed and cherished the NYPS experience particularly under the capable Madam Heng.

Some would even say that current HA classes feel that there is an underlying bias against them. The students have been warned not to expect to DSA into their dream school. Quite sad. Ironically, students from other schools are now clamoring to DSA into NYGH after they hear that NYPS girls may be at a disadvantage ! Very demoralizing for both NYPS students and teachers who work hard to help them get into their dream school.

Last year's batch took it personally because despite their capability (getting into RGS & NUSH), they felt that NYGH never even gave them a chance. As for 255, it only a 7 marks discount from last year's COP. Many other affiliated / top tier schools have much lower cut off points and thus, a stronger sense of affiliation.

Having said that, I agree it's important to pick out the pupils who are very serious and dedicated about joining NYGH versus trying to shop around for as many COs as possible particularly those HAs who try for both RGS & NYGH. Seems to show lack of dedication to sister school. However, it would be good to remember that a few rotten apples does not mean the whole cart of apples are bad.

Here's hoping that the Nanyang spirit of future NYPS students & teachers will not be dampened by a few bad apples in the past. With the upcoming 95th anniversary, it would be heartening to see a stronger sense of the Nanyang spirit.

[jtoh]

Whylikethat888:

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Last year's batch took it personally because despite their capability (getting into RGS & NUSH), they felt that NYGH never even gave them a chance. As for 255, it only a 7 marks discount from last year's COP. Many other affiliated / top tier schools have much lower cut off points and thus, a stronger sense of affiliation.

I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?

[Snow Crystal]

jtoh:

I thought the preferential COP for NYPS to NYGH is 250? Has it been raised?

Not raised ...yet... :evil:
No lah, it's still 250. Whylikethat888 is using my earlier example of 255 - I had mentioned that a NYPS girl in top class capable of scoring 255 and above (quite safe number) for PSLE usually may not even need to apply NYGH DSA...