Is GEP really necessary?
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Mychildren:
Kee kee, my elder DS. :evil:[/quote]Oic...kekeke...this one you have to consult our in-house consultant atutor2001 (Sorry I have been writing as atutor2011, my bad, sorry consultant ...)
Ladies, who is the 'he'? :?ksi:
[quote=\"ruohoo97\"]
Maybe he/she is late-bloomer. -
2ppaamm:
hahaha...
Of course we don't expect 100% accuracy lah. Must be God to be able to do that. But apparently, folks in MOE think they are gods and they say at the GEP briefing that NO ONE is incorrectly selected.
But again, I remember they have their own measurement, so they are 100% correct BY THEIR MEASUREMENT. Remember this discussion?
When dealing with gods, we must remember we are just mortals, until the idols are abolished. :imanangel:
So you see, all bases are covered.... :rotflmao:
Maybe you should call for revamp of the GEP briefing script instead.
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verykiasu2010:
:rotflmao: got to take it with a barrel of salt, not a pinchMelodies:
Your figures do support the point of GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools recognize this. :yikes:
Below are just a very rough calculation:
Presumably, average Tscore for GEPpers is 255 and this is top 6% for the whole cohort. There are abt 50k in a cohort so there are abt 3K pupils who have 255 t-score and above. Say all GEPper are evenly distributed to all IS school together with the comparable mainstreamers who has scored 255 and above, hence each school will have= 500/3000 = 16.7% GEPper. The fact is we are seeing higher % of GEPper population than 16.7% in TOP IP schools. There are abt 300 GEPper scored 255tscore n this shd give about 10% of GEPpers population for each IS school if we assume all comparable (based on PSLE score) GEPpers are evenly distributed to all IS schools with their comparable mainstream peers.
The conclusion is GEPpers are higher in demand and TOP IP schools do recognize this and prefer GEPpers to mainstreamers.
Do take the above calculation with a pinch of salts since the data is from KSP forumers and have not been verified with MOE.
what is the number 3000 ? how many IP schools now ?
why is GEPpers in demand ? isn't it the students choose the schools and not the school choose the students ? school can make DSA offers but if the students reject the CO what does it say ? -
ksi:
[quote]Oic...kekeke...this one you have to consult our in-house consultant atutor2001 (Sorry I have been writing as atutor2011, my bad, sorry consultant ...)[/quote]Wah... I am completely confused with this... :oops:
Kee kee, my elder DS. :evil:Mychildren:
Ladies, who is the 'he'? :? -
ksi:
Er... I have been converted, and refuse to worship these gods anymore, so I have cut all lines with them.
hahaha...2ppaamm:
Of course we don't expect 100% accuracy lah. Must be God to be able to do that. But apparently, folks in MOE think they are gods and they say at the GEP briefing that NO ONE is incorrectly selected.
But again, I remember they have their own measurement, so they are 100% correct BY THEIR MEASUREMENT. Remember this discussion?
When dealing with gods, we must remember we are just mortals, until the idols are abolished. :imanangel:
So you see, all bases are covered.... :rotflmao:
Maybe you should call for revamp of the GEP briefing script instead. BTW, what is your definition of 2E? 2E to the education is learning difficulties, e.g. dyslexia, asperger's ADHD + giftedness (at any level) leh... :? How come I think all GEP should be 2E? 
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2ppaamm:
can we look at same in a different way.All I know is that HA or gifted, they should be given the same opportunities. Hanging so much resources based upon one selection test at P3 does not make sense. There is really very little difference in the way these children grow. In fact, MANY gifted children are late developers too, so depriving them of access is really cruel.
A slice of bread may satiate me since since like light dinner I but it is like peanuts to my DH who had no lunch. Same amount on input but not the same amount of need, right?
Having gifted kids you probably know this better.
As the education system is built around the abilities of the slightly above average in ways it can be mass delivered so that they can be stretched to their potential , the very high ability and gifted ones need a more robust curriculum to stretch them too.2ppaamm:
There is a pretty decent education system by MOE ( lets leave the world class / best aside for now , i definitely dont agree with it but that another debate) Only a small portion seems to be dedicated to the top, especially considering the GEP schools are a small part of a few mainstream schools only.
I believe all kids should be given the SAME opportunities by the GOVERNMENT, not home yeah? Whether they are gifted, HA, average or below average. In a society, we must always look after the last 10%, and the average as well. It is not right to sink in the resources to look after only the top, because the top can always look after themselves, just like the rich in every country should always pay more taxes, and not get payouts.
Even if the resource that is being spent on these 500 kids is spread out to the 50,000 kids , it will be so diluted that i doubt it will make a noticable difference to the whole cohort.2ppaamm:
The problem is it is not the MOE's expectation of the child that rankles ( dont think thay have any official expectation) but that of the public.
As for being in GEP and they are facing so much expectations. To him much is given, much is expected. -
ksi:
It is so interesting, the opposite sites quote the same example to support their arguments!
Precisely Sun! LJ is a good example of not having to go thru the pain of doing English the GEP way and yet getting a good support in other ways to pursue his passion. I thought he was a positive example of our education support system but somehow he has been construed and made to look as a negative example for GEP screening failure. *thud* :faint:Sun_2010:
LJ has good support of his sec school, so how come it becomes MOE's failure I dont see. Yes he was not talent spotted early on but once his calibre was known , he has been provided with good support.
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There’s no difference in academic performance btw IP students and those who came thru O-levels route as far as A-levels results are concerned. The former includes geppers. This fact is already confirmed so no need to argue.
There’s also no selection that’s is close to 100% not to mention the word ‘perfect’. In SAF the selection of future commanders is based on the following criteria:
1.Academic
2.Medical condition
3 Fitness
4.Written tests.
5.Aptitude
6.Interest
7.Commanders’ appraisal
8.BMT performance
9.Peer appraisal
So if a recruit aces all the above pts but fared badly in peer appraisal, he’s out. His leadership potential and character is being assesed by 14 of his section mates that live and train together. Despite being so thorough in their selection, that’s no gurantee that one will make the cut in command school if he does not live up to expectations.
See how meticulous is their selection. -
ruohoo97:
Why do you need to do that? It is purely the choose of parents of this child. Gifted or not gifted, I believe all the parents try whatever they think best for their child. It is not wrong to push a child to GEP. Just don't expect stellar results for every GEPper.[/quote]That fact is that it's his conclusion that the kid(s) was hothoused and got into GEP and so failed to 'deliver' at A level. But was he?Nebbermind:
[quote=\"atutor2001\"] I actually thought that the GEP was targeted at the HA kids and not the truly gifted as there are far too few. Sadly many selected are not even HA but are the products of hot-housing at primary level.
If you know of someone in particular, please name and shame them. Pls donch group everyone else and kept insisting them been hot-housed.
It's purely speculative!! ya?
BTW, I meant name n shame the parents...not the kids....not the kids' fault!! -
Sun_2010:
To be honest, no I don't completely understand. Firstly, ALL my kids are different, all of them do get the same input from me, but I do get DIFFERENT output, I understand this part. But does that mean I give more time and effort to the one whom I think can give better output? NO. I give more attention to the one who has more needs or relatively weaker. At least that is me, and nobody quarrels about this. In fact, the one who is the weakest gets attention from the rest who are better as well. Have bulk does help!
can we look at same in a different way.2ppaamm:
All I know is that HA or gifted, they should be given the same opportunities. Hanging so much resources based upon one selection test at P3 does not make sense. There is really very little difference in the way these children grow. In fact, MANY gifted children are late developers too, so depriving them of access is really cruel.
A slice of bread may satiate me since since like light dinner I but it is like peanuts to my DH who had no lunch. Same amount on input but not the same amount of need, right?
Having gifted kids you probably know this better.
As the education system is built around the abilities of the slightly above average in ways it can be mass delivered so that they can be stretched to their potential , the very high ability and gifted ones need a more robust curriculum to stretch them too.2ppaamm:
There is a pretty decent education system by MOE ( lets leave the world class / best aside for now , i definitely dont agree with it but that another debate) Only a small portion seems to be dedicated to the top, especially considering the GEP schools are a small part of a few mainstream schools only.
I believe all kids should be given the SAME opportunities by the GOVERNMENT, not home yeah? Whether they are gifted, HA, average or below average. In a society, we must always look after the last 10%, and the average as well. It is not right to sink in the resources to look after only the top, because the top can always look after themselves, just like the rich in every country should always pay more taxes, and not get payouts.
Even if the resource that is being spent on these 500 kids is spread out to the 50,000 kids , it will be so diluted that i doubt it will make a noticable difference to the whole cohort.2ppaamm:
The problem is it is not the MOE's expectation of the child that rankles ( dont think thay have any official expectation) but that of the public.
As for being in GEP and they are facing so much expectations. To him much is given, much is expected.
Of course the system has its merits. Wait, which system doesn't? Point is, we should always look for improvement. The 40+ per class size is so outdated, it should have been thrown out. If anything, we should start with the weakest, and then move up. The weakest always need the most help.
A good system does not become better by claiming so. We are not the best, and the folks in MOE ought to stop calling us that, unless they have data to prove so. So, there are many systems to study and learn from to improve ours. Giftedness is a well studied area, but none of those in MOE has bothered to learn and apply here in Singapore.
The reality is that a child or anybody should not bother so much about MOE's expectation, that is so transient. It is the society that we have to live in. That much I know my kids will be, whether as parents we like it or not. It is a jungle out there, learn to survive. A good education system should not only look into the needs of the country (I know this is important and priority of MOE), but there is also individual needs that we need to consider. Look, I didn't even say the latter should be the priority.
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