Alternative use for tuition

[Mychildren]

tutormum:

ksi:

[quote=\"jedamum\"]Wait wait wait.

If the said students said they needed tuition to have discipline in studying, shouldn't it be enrichment already and not tuition?

Possibly and there is a differentiation between enrichment and tuition but no one is really listening.... Jedamum you are listening!!!!! *Bravo*

Enrichment classes are those beyond the school textbooks such as dancing, music and swimming. These students needed tuition cos they are not disciplined to study on their own. More like needing a nanny than a tutor. :roll: This would means that the tutor would be sitting there looking on as the student does his work. :slapshead: :slapshead:[/quote]Yes, these are enrichment classes (those in blue). Before that my DS has 4 of those including his school CCA, in the end need to take 1 out because of too much homework. Don't scold me, I didn't ask him go for the 4, he want them himself.

[SAHM_TAN]

For me tuition is about getting external help on existing school work in the current level that the child is in. Enrichment besides non-academic activities such as dancing, music, sports, etc, I include academics learning beyond school curriculum and child's current level. There are such enrichment activities by MOE for students who are HA and in GEP.


To summarize the 2 kids' reasons, they use tuition to ensure that they will revise, recap school work, so that will not procrastinate in studying. Of course it was also mentioned that the tutor teach new infor but it's not stated is it advanced infor.

When I read the article, my take away was that they used tuition to discipline themselves to study. For new infor, I want my kids at an older age to be able to research on their own, on topics that they are interested about.

I think it's important for a child to go though and learn about the process of thinking. I have no issue if the child wants to buy notes or to use teachers' notes as additional resource but the child must have the thinking skills.

It's just like there are shoes with Velcro but I still insist that they learn how to tie shoe laces. Or like making ice-cream, there's an easy and more tedious way to do it. I will show them the tedious way before showing them the easier way. It's like I'm torturing my kids :rotflmao:

[janet88]

jedamum:

Wait wait wait.

If the said students said they needed tuition to have discipline in studying, shouldn't it be enrichment already and not tuition?

Enrichment is different from tuition...bcos it's non-academic.
My friend's son in a popular school was asked if his tutors coach her son in school hw...if these said students need tuition, doesn't it confirm that tutors ARE hired for the wrong reason? :faint: Are these students implying they need someone to sit beside them so that they can study and get homework done?

[corneyAmber]

janet_lee88:

jedamum:

Wait wait wait.

If the said students said they needed tuition to have discipline in studying, shouldn't it be enrichment already and not tuition?

Enrichment is different from tuition...bcos it's non-academic.
My friend's son in a popular school was asked if his tutors coach her son in school hw...if these said students need tuition, doesn't it confirm that tutors ARE hired for the wrong reason? :faint: Are these students implying they need someone to sit beside them so that they can study and get homework done?

Some enrichment can be academic.

[janet88]

SAHM_TAN:

I think it's important for a child to go though and learn about the process of thinking. I have no issue if the child wants to buy notes or to use teachers' notes as additional resource but the child must have the thinking skills.


It's just like there are shoes with Velcro but I still insist that they learn how to tie shoe laces. Or like making ice-cream, there's an easy and more tedious way to do it. I will show them the tedious way before showing them the easier way. It's like I'm torturing my kids :rotflmao:

Making own notes is important for a child to learn. He/She cannot possibly be having a tutor beside to give notes. If the child can make his/her own notes, that would be more effective bcos it is 'personalized' to oneself...for eg the mistakes often made and areas which are overlooked. Critical thinking as well as thinking out of the box will make those notes more valuable.

There may be shoes with Velcro but they cannot be wearing Velcro shoes or digital watches for life. I don't think you are torturing but teaching them that life is not a bed of roses. :hi5:

[Mychildren]

janet_lee88:

SAHM_TAN:

I think it's important for a child to go though and learn about the process of thinking. I have no issue if the child wants to buy notes or to use teachers' notes as additional resource but the child must have the thinking skills.


It's just like there are shoes with Velcro but I still insist that they learn how to tie shoe laces. Or like making ice-cream, there's an easy and more tedious way to do it. I will show them the tedious way before showing them the easier way. It's like I'm torturing my kids :rotflmao:

Making own notes is important for a child to learn. He/She cannot possibly be having a tutor beside to give notes. If the child can make his/her own notes, that would be more effective bcos it is 'personalized' to oneself...for eg the mistakes often made and areas which are overlooked. Critical thinking as well as thinking out of the box will make those notes more valuable.

There may be shoes with Velcro but they cannot be wearing Velcro shoes or digital watches for life. I don't think you are torturing but teaching them that life is not a bed of roses. :hi5:

:hi5:

[atrecord]

hquek:

Well I know some bright sec school kids who ask for tuition so they can have access to good notes.


When I was in sec 3, I took bio and had no clue what the super cheem book was talking about. Luckily I had a friend who quietly told me about this fantastic alternate textbook. Went to buy the book and the bio world made sense after that, moral of story...sometime studying hard ain't going to help if one don't have good crutches to lean on.

Shouldn't teachers be the one to:
- give good notes to the students
- and more so, make sure that the students understand what the textbook is talking about?

Actually, it's also a little surprising: all textbooks used in Singapore schools are approved by MOE, so if the textbook you used was so bad, how did it get approved in the first place?

[atrecord]

hquek:

Well I know some bright sec school kids who ask for tuition so they can have access to good notes.


When I was in sec 3, I took bio and had no clue what the super cheem book was talking about. Luckily I had a friend who quietly told me about this fantastic alternate textbook. Went to buy the book and the bio world made sense after that, moral of story...sometime studying hard ain't going to help if one don't have good crutches to lean on.

Shouldn't teachers be the one to:
- give good notes to the students
- and more so, make sure that the students understand what the textbook is talking about?

Actually, it's also a little surprising: all textbooks used in Singapore schools are approved by MOE, so if the textbook you used was so bad, how did it get approved in the first place?

[Nebbermind]

atrecord:

Shouldn't teachers be the one to:
- give good notes to the students
- and more so, make sure that the students understand what the textbook is talking about?

Actually, it's also a little surprising: all textbooks used in Singapore schools are approved by MOE, so if the textbook you used was so bad, how did it get approved in the first place?

Maybe coz I was a science student, I donch remember getting at notes from teachers when I was in sec school....all we had was just textbk.

Is textbook not enough?

[Chenonceau]

slmkhoo:

Nebbermind:

[quote=\"atrecord\"]

Shouldn't teachers be the one to:
- give good notes to the students
- and more so, make sure that the students understand what the textbook is talking about?

Actually, it's also a little surprising: all textbooks used in Singapore schools are approved by MOE, so if the textbook you used was so bad, how did it get approved in the first place?

Maybe coz I was a science student, I donch remember getting at notes from teachers when I was in sec school....all we had was just textbk.

Is textbook not enough?

Unfortunately, no. Pr textbooks are terrible, and sec school textbooks are only slightly better. I recall my own textbooks as very dense - lots of words, facts, hardly any illustrations except for the essentials. Boring, but useful. Nowadays, textbooks are colourful, low on text, and filled with not very useful 'interesting' sidenotes. They are not very much use for self-study or teaching. Hence the demand for notes, I suppose. I think MOE's textbook writers have forgotten the main purpose of textbooks. They are meant primarily to provide materials for learning, not be pretty and 'interesting'. They also waste a lot of (good-quality) paper by giving so little info on every page.

On notes: I also believe that teachers should provide some notes for guidance as to the scope of the syllabus and some key facts, but that students should be responsible for compiling their own study notes. That exercise alone will help them master most of the material.[/quote]Agree.Agree.Agree.

The problem of bad textbooks is exacerbated in primary by the relatively younger age and higher dependency. In secondary, I found a way around bad textbooks without resorting to tuition by dropping DD of at any uni library nearby. Textbooks at secondary ARE somewhat better... somewhat...