P2 Math - General Discussion

[ChiefKiasu]

KSP:

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I thought this is the worst kept secret. Everyone knows.

Yes... that's why we decided not to implement a similar \"download\" service for test papers. I think it is better to simply post to the forum the specific questions that you have problems understanding or that you want to verify the answer with (some of those answers provided by the vendors are notoriously horrible). We KiasuParents love to work on these questions because we also want our children to learn to handle all the tricky questions.

So it is, as sashimi says, manage by exception.

[bitchymum]

ryankwek:

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Anyone can help me...

my son is confused with such problem.

Here is the questions
1. 5 is 1 less than _
2. _ is 1 less than 3

My son just take the numbers and start to minus.
For Q2, that's okay but for Q1, he will get the wrong answer.

Can anyone suggests a method to coach him?

I am using this method to teach my gal and so far, she has no problem doing the problems:-

5 is 1 less than ___________

5 = 1 - _____ (I will get her to write the number sentence on top)
So she can see that a number minus 1 = 5

______ is 1 less than 3


______ = 1 - 3 (so she can see that 3 - 1 = ?)


The above method so far works for my gal. She can get them all correct.

[buds]

ChiefKiasu:

Yes... that's why we decided not to implement a similar \"download\" service for test papers. I think it is better to simply post to the forum the specific questions that you have problems understanding or that you want to verify the answer with (some of those answers provided by the vendors are notoriously horrible). We KiasuParents love to work on these questions because we also want our children to learn to handle all the tricky questions.

I agree with Chief. So bring it on already, parents!
Lets work the problems out together, that's what
this forum is all about. Sharing..

[RRMummy]

Hi bitchymum, great that you can find a way for your kid to understand the question! …but the potential problem would be that you need to undo that way when she starts learning negative number, (? = 1 - 3; then ? = -2 not 2 and 1-3 is not equals to 3 - 1 ) …after using this technique for so long it might become ingrown then very tough to undo… I hope don’t mind me pointing this out…

[bitchymum]

RRMummy:

Hi bitchymum, great that you can find a way for your kid to understand the question! ..but the potential problem would be that you need to undo that way when she starts learning negative number, (? = 1 - 3; then ? = -2 not 2 and 1-3 is not equals to 3 - 1 ) ..after using this technique for so long it might become ingrown then very tough to undo... I hope don't mind me pointing this out..

Thanks, in fact I was worried that she might confuse too .

For ? = 1 - 3, I get her to read backwards meaning read from 3 - 1 = ?. So far, this is the best method cos at least she can get all correct after all the practise.

[radiantmum]

Try this - - Ask the kid : do you think the answer will be a bigger or smaller number?


ie 5 is 1 less than ?. Is ? a bigger or smaller no? If big, then add.
ie ? is 1 less than 3. Is ? a bigger or smaller no? If small than subtract

[mmmouse]

Hi all


I thought only my dd is confused with such statement…I am glad I am not alone as I am also having problem teaching her this sort of questions.

I think we have to move away with getting them to memorise steps or formula and make them understand concepts.

In my workplace which is very international, I see that the caucasians are alot better in their mental calculation than us, Chinese. Somehow, their mind process nos very differently!

I am going to try using "macrononi" to teach Math. I show her the logic of the question by demonstrating the answer using the macrononi and then, test her again with other similar questions and see if she gets the concept. On the other hand, I also feel that English plays a part! For those who have stronger English background, they tend to understand quicker.

Not sure I make sense here…anyone has better ideas, please share.

JJ

[san76]

mmmouse:

Hi all


I thought only my dd is confused with such statement....I am glad I am not alone as I am also having problem teaching her this sort of questions.

I think we have to move away with getting them to memorise steps or formula and make them understand concepts.

In my workplace which is very international, I see that the caucasians are alot better in their mental calculation than us, Chinese. Somehow, their mind process nos very differently!

I am going to try using \"macrononi\" to teach Math. I show her the logic of the question by demonstrating the answer using the macrononi and then, test her again with other similar questions and see if she gets the concept. On the other hand, I also feel that English plays a part! For those who have stronger English background, they tend to understand quicker.

Not sure I make sense here.....anyone has better ideas, please share.

JJ

Dear Mmmouse,

I strongly agree with you, all these are english. Understand it and
it will be easy.

Let her practice and practice, sure no problem. My son overcome this problem after I explained to him the meaning of these few words he is ok now.

Try to create more question for her to do.

If you use \"macoroni\" you must have full patience. When somrthing new is introduce to a kid, they will need time to adapt and understand it. As she is facing confusion by the maths, so make it easy for her.

Update us your teaching method. I can try out if it works. Hee Hee!!!

:celebrate:
Happy learning!!!

[usaik]

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Hi,

Anyone here know whether is working required or expected for Maths problem sums these days? Can just give answer without doing working? If answer correct but no working, will it still be a full score for the answer?

In addition, I need help on the WORKING for the following problem. Really hope someone here could help.

A shop sold oranges and apples packed as follow.
bag of 10 oranges. (A diagram is printed showing a bag with 10 oranges)
bag of 5 apples. (A diagram is printed showing a bag with 5 apples)
For every 10 oranges Madam Esah bought, she also bought 5 apples. She bought 20 oranges. How many bags of fruids did she buy altogether?
(Hint : Draw a diagram to help you solve)

Anyone know what is the kind of diagram expected for P2 Maths working for this kind of sum? My son can get the correct answer but just couldn't draw the digram. And I also can't help him either. Anyone here can help?

[buds]

usaik:

Hi,

Anyone here know whether is working required or expected for Maths problem sums these days? Can just give answer without doing working? If answer correct but no working, will it still be a full score for the answer?

In addition, I need help on the WORKING for the following problem. Really hope someone here could help.

A shop sold oranges and apples packed as follow.
bag of 10 oranges. (A diagram is printed showing a bag with 10 oranges)
bag of 5 apples. (A diagram is printed showing a bag with 5 apples)
For every 10 oranges Madam Esah bought, she also bought 5 apples. She bought 20 oranges. How many bags of fruids did she buy altogether?
(Hint : Draw a diagram to help you solve)

Anyone know what is the kind of diagram expected for P2 Maths working for this kind of sum? My son can get the correct answer but just couldn't draw the digram. And I also can't help him either. Anyone here can help?

Heyya usaik,

I usually just ask my kiddies to do all workings.
So in case the answer is written wrongly or carelessly
written wrongly, the diagrams, drawings or picture workings
will still carry marks for the questions. So rather than an ultimate
zero, there'll be some \"save\" marks for them. If the instructions
clearly states, please indicate working..... then definitely must include
lah but compulsory or not - that i'm not sure... Mebbe it varies between
schools? I find that a complete working also helps to show that the answer
was derived from her own train of thought and not glimpsed and copied
from next-seated-neighbour...

If this question requires a diagram, (and a school question) - the textbook
would have shown the children (and parents) how the workings have been
introduced to the children to do in class. Mebbe you can ask him if the
teacher has done so and also flip his Maths Textbook..

As for the workings and diagrams, it could be ...


http://www.postimage.org/


There can be other versions too.
If other parents can share, i'd love it too! :please:
Hope to learn from one another here, to help our kids better.
Thanks in advance and much appreciated.