Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1918839\" time=\"1562804382\" user_id=\"15571:

Are they still having many DSA applicants?
I remember about 10 yrs back they had a few test centres for their 1st round written test...think estimated about 3k~4k applicants IIRC.

During the recent open house, the VP says NUSH is giving opportunity for everyone who wants to attempt to DSA into the school. If there is not enough available LTs / Halls within NUS High and NUS, they will also arrange to have the selection tests in the neighboring primary/secondary schools. But don't know whether it did extend to the latter.

lucid\" post_id=\"1918352\" time=\"1562599391\" user_id=\"14312:

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1911283\" time=\"1558417221\" user_id=\"15571:

[quote=nometimemom post_id=1911276 time=1558416455 user_id=123526]Hi Resourceful parents here,
I am considering NUS high school for my son. Pardon me if the questions had been asked before, may I know what are the universities that had taken NUS High school graduants as their students? Local I guess NTU NUS. Perhaps any other universities? like MIT or any other wellknown universities?

Thanks alot

https://www.nushigh.edu.sg/student-development/university-admissions-and-career-guidance

Please see a visual posted in NUSH parents chatgroup
https://postimg.cc/cvzgp1gh[/quote]From the same source, but a Snapshot of NUSH Class of 2017 University Destinations and Courses Taken
http://wwwdontmesswith6a.blogspot.com/2019/06/snapshot-of-nush-class-of-2017.html

samantha_wong\" post_id=\"1918350\" time=\"1562599336\" user_id=\"124040:

Hello all kiasu students that appeared in NMOS this year and there parents.
Do you know when the result is likely to be announced?
The next round is not too far. Hope the kids get a change to study.
All the best to everyone.

If nothing goes wrong, could be as early as today n usually within this week, depending on how efficient the primary schools are. They will inform the qualified students. But some get informed next week though, according to last year experience. NUSH used to post the entire namelist on their website, but stopped last year.

deardear07\" post_id=\"1917907\" time=\"1562314210\" user_id=\"1429:

entei17\" post_id=\"1917873\" time=\"1562308208\" user_id=\"162440:

I have no privileged information. 35 was just a guesstimate I thought makes sense. I'm not sure whether Round 2 are chosen based on a top x%, a cut-off or the top 3XX students + ties.

The 'cut-off' should be around that ballpark. If you complete the first 20 questions (get them all correct), you just pass i.e. 30/60. Add in a few more questions from questions 21-30, and a few mistakes from 1-20, then it should be around there. I talked to my DC, whom completed only about half the questions and got into Round 2 last year.

oh, about half the questions correct n into round 2? okok thanks! hoping for the best here... :nailbite:

It's probably not the \"number of questions\" that counts, but which questions you get them correct that counts. The funny thing about NMOS is that there are some 1-mark questions which are more difficult and more time consuming than 2-mark questions, and similarly some 2-mark questions that are more difficult than 3-mark questions. My child started from the back and work to the front, skipping those that are difficult, with probably more 3-mark questions being answered than would be the case if you start from the front. Just don't get bogged down by 1-mark or 2-mark questions. In general, I would say closer to 20 than 15 questions would be more assured.

deardear07\" post_id=\"1917725\" time=\"1562290125\" user_id=\"1429:

entei17\" post_id=\"1917642\" time=\"1562245475\" user_id=\"162440:

[quote=faithj post_id=1917600 time=1562238843 user_id=171285]My son has confirmed the questions are the same as what he did for NMOS yesterday, even in the same order. He also said they collected back all the papers.

But even if NUSH investigates, and the questions are indeed leaked before the paper, what can they do to those who have seen the questions before the paper? How will they trace those students? Really hope its just a false alarm.

If indeed it was leaked, it will be a hassle to trace. They won't have the time to set another preliminary round paper and ask everyone to re-take. Remember they need to select the top 20 for training for IMSO soon. Also, it's not the fault of those students that they are shown the questions prior. They probably studied just as hard.

What they could possibly do is 1) enlarge the Round 2 cohort to say top 500 instead of the usual top 300+ to make sure those deserving ones would not missed out because others' scores are bumped up, or 2) based on past year papers, the cut-off for the 300+ was say 35 marks out of 60 marks (full marks), then accept into Round 2 those who meet this cut-off. Finally, disregard the Round 1 score with the eventual placings based just on Round 2. The original rules say final placings are based on Round 1+ Round 2 scores.

entei, i was wondering on the cut off... what is, if there is, the cut off for the papers? is 35 an estimate?[/quote]I have no privileged information. 35 was just a guesstimate I thought makes sense. I'm not sure whether Round 2 are chosen based on a top x%, a cut-off or the top 3XX students + ties.

The 'cut-off' should be around that ballpark. If you complete the first 20 questions (get them all correct), you just pass i.e. 30/60. Add in a few more questions from questions 21-30, and a few mistakes from 1-20, then it should be around there. I talked to my DC, whom completed only about half the questions and got into Round 2 last year.

faithj\" post_id=\"1917600\" time=\"1562238843\" user_id=\"171285:

My son has confirmed the questions are the same as what he did for NMOS yesterday, even in the same order. He also said they collected back all the papers.

But even if NUSH investigates, and the questions are indeed leaked before the paper, what can they do to those who have seen the questions before the paper? How will they trace those students? Really hope its just a false alarm.

If indeed it was leaked, it will be a hassle to trace. They won't have the time to set another preliminary round paper and ask everyone to re-take. Remember they need to select the top 20 for training for IMSO soon. Also, it's not the fault of those students that they are shown the questions prior. They probably studied just as hard.

What they could possibly do is 1) enlarge the Round 2 cohort to say top 500 instead of the usual top 300+ to make sure those deserving ones would not missed out because others' scores are bumped up, or 2) based on past year papers, the cut-off for the 300+ was say 35 marks out of 60 marks (full marks), then accept into Round 2 those who meet this cut-off. Finally, disregard the Round 1 score with the eventual placings based just on Round 2. The original rules say final placings are based on Round 1+ Round 2 scores.

FantasyLandDreams\" post_id=\"1917621\" time=\"1562242963\" user_id=\"105816:

Hmmn...strange....did they change the rule this year? Last year we can still take back the paper....

For Round 2, they can take the paper home.

deardear07\" post_id=\"1917208\" time=\"1562143778\" user_id=\"1429:

is RIPMWC or NMOS more difficult?

RIPMWC is much harder than NMOS even though it is MCQs. You have no chance to do well if you don't prepare intensely for RIPMWC because it requires knowledge of certain mathematical identities not taught in schools. NMOS is consistent with Primary School syllabus, but the questions require you to see where the 'shortcut' is. The questions are definitely doable.

Swc\" post_id=\"1917063\" time=\"1562121351\" user_id=\"178585:

Honestly I think for Science, the schools look beyond Olympiad competitions as they are also aware that not many get to participate in such competitions. I know for a fact that some kids who did not have any Science related competition medal ended up with a Science CO to top IP schools. What these kids have are Science projects done in school. They submitted writeups of these projects and probably did very well in the selection tests and interviews.

Maths, on the other hand, due to the sheer amount of MO competitions, do look more at MO results.

I agree with you that schools look beyond Olympiad competitions for DSA, but probably not the way you think.

If you can showcase the science related projects you have done, do well in the selection tests, work well in groups and speak and write well, would you have a better portfolio than the GEP students. Their daily work and long term projects revolves around that, IRS, FPS, IvP, Science and Maths Masterclasses etc. But why do a lot of the GEP students not get a CO nowadays?

In the name of diversity. You go to the top school open houses, the first thing they'll tell you is they have accepted students from 1XX primary schools. Unless you are the cream from within the GEP which the top schools will readily offer CO to form the core brain of their cohort (especially for NUS High), those below will still get into the top schools by virtue of their PSLE score anyway. Therefore good students from mainstream have a good chance to get a CO, while a good but not excellent GEP student has an attached liability.

dagong99\" post_id=\"1917018\" time=\"1562115895\" user_id=\"48163:

Bochapmum3\" post_id=\"1916981\" time=\"1562082811\" user_id=\"167967:

Actually what is the reason science competitions are more restricted than maths? I mean why does organising schools like nushigh need to limit the number of participants to such a small number?

Math competitions usually involve only pen and paper tests whereas Science is different as practicals are usually an important part of the competitions.

Cost and logistics are usually the main concerns when it comes to Science as the availability of labs (labs sessions are on-going for existing students as well, per their timetable), availability of staff (on top of their busy schedule) and student helpers (may have to skip lessons), cost of chemicals, lab apparatus and equipment, disposables, etc. are things that the organisers have to manage.

Usually such competitions require careful planning, testing and trials, especially Chemistry where expensive chemicals are used and staff and students helpers have to spend time to do the trial tests to ensure such experiments can be done within stipulated time frame and more importantly, to ensure the safety of participants, bearing in mind they are all primary schools kids ... and on actual day itself, there must be sufficient student helpers and staff around to monitor the students as well, so from here, you can see why the number is limited.

The cost and logistics reasons do not hold. Round 1 of SPSO involves only MCQs and is graded through OAS. They can easily double and triple their Round 1 participants if they want, in similar size to NMOS, by holding Round 1 in the respective Primary Schools.

Round 2 practical round is the differentiated from NMOS in that only 60+ qualifies, whereas NMOS has 300-400 who qualifies, with the eventual gold medalists limited to 20 thereabouts for SPSO while NMOS has 60+. The higher number for NMOS is a direct consequence of having a much bigger Round 1 cohort, as the % of gold/silver/bronze medalists is fixed.

Round 2 Practical Round of SPSO definitely has a limiting factor in terms of lab space. But NUS High can still accept 60+ into Round 2 and everyone gets gold in similar numbers to NMOS. But that probably dilute the quality of the gold medalists.

Ultimately, I think they probably decided that the current numbers still make sense to sieve out the required best. Every school can send a maximum of 9 students, with GEP allowed more to cater for mainstream (if not its unfair to them to be squeezed out by the GEP students). It is not their fault if the primary schools themselves didn't register any nor send the maximum number. I know of mainstream schools who split the students up so they either participate in RSO (max 5) and SPSO (max 9), to increase the number of students who can go for at least once.

If you are not selected as the best 9 to present the school, then even if they send you to SPSO and get a bronze, I doubt it helps in DSA anyway. Gold in SPSO does not guarantee DSA success.