Explanation is crystal clear. Thank you.

hmsg:

Let me have a shot at explaining the P5 (2012) batch. Total 14 classes = (4 GEP classes + 2 META classes) + [4 HA classes + 4 MA classes]. Note the ( ) and [ ].

META classes are Pri 5I and 5J. GEP classes are Pri 5K,L,M,N. This is called also known as \"Expert classes\" grouping because the EL, M, Sci syllabus is different for GEP (+SS) & META. Therefore, \"Expert\". The high achiever awards are also based on the scored in these classes.

For all other classes (HCL, Art, excursion, music, etc), these 6 classes are mixed into \"Home\" classes.. I think into Pri 5 Respect, Resilience, etc... The ratio of GEP to META per class have already been covered earlier by other parents.

Come Pri 6, The GEP & META students may not be en-bloc, there may still be minor rotations within KLMN (for gep) and IJ (for META) - aka expert classes. Similarly, the students in their home class (resilience, respect, etc) may also be adjusted. I believe this will be to group the students in those stronger in languages and M/Sci so that it will be easier to focus on their relative weakness for targeted improvement.

Promotion for mainstream P5 is enbloc.

Hope this will provide some clarity.

BigDevil:

According to Mrs Lee, NYPS had been running META for 2 years. Meaning last year was the first year they are doing it. This intermingling of GEP and non-GEP students are not initiated by NYPS, but from MOE: http://www.moe.gov.sg/media/parliamentary-replies/2009/09/gifted-education-programme-int.php

This is similar in HPPS too. The intermingling is only for non core-subjects, including cl (not sure how they select students for cl). HPPS geppers still retain their own classes. Am surprised that nyps is scrapping this (or has it already been scraped?).

[quote]Oh boy....this is a bit hard to explain.
There are 6 META classes of mixed GEP and non-GEP students (I don't call them META students because META is a programme, and since the geppers are also in this programme, they are also...META students [/quote]This is debatable. By saying geppers are in the META programme is confusing. Are nyps geppers taking the nyps in-house meta programme or moe-gep programme? Geppers chose nyps because of the gep programme not meta programme. [quote]Now these 6 classes are grouped into 2 groups of 3 classes.

Taking one group for example, when it is time for GEP subject lessons, the non-GEP students will come together to form one class (10 x 3 = 30 students), whereas the geppers (17 x 3 = 51 studednts) will form 2 classes (ie. 25 or 26 students). The same happens for the other group of 3 META classes. Clear now? :xedfingers: [/quote]This is clearer now. But the meta/non-gep students are also taking GEP subjects? Please clarify. TIA.
[quote]Also, the school explained that all META classes take GEP CL because the geppers do not necessarily have advantage over non-geppers in the study of CL. So that is the only academic subject they take together.[/quote]Do they take the same GEP CL paper from MOE too?

Not poking, but clarfications are needed. No gep parents would want to find their kids in a class of 50 taking school-based programme, right?

And if indeed META/non-gep students are taking the GEP subjects too (as stated in your post earlier), then more parents will be fighting to get their children into nyps. In addition, it is very unfair to those top 2-5% who are not in nyps.

BigDevil:

NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).

When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.

meta students are taking GEP subjects? From the ratio of 17:10, there will be approx 30 non-gep students taking GEP subjects? But approx 50 geppers in 1 class for GEP subjects?

Very confusing... Is GEP in NYPS for nyps meta students or moe-identified-gep students?

Indeed, this is really strange. All geppers are combined into 2 classes? which means 50 students in one class? Isn't this worse off than mainstream?


No pure GEP class? Meaning nyps is no longer gep centre?

meta students are those that missed GEP by 1 or 2 point? Which source does this come from? Only understanding is that META are for those nyps students who didn't get through round 2. Some are identified (in their letters or maybe to school) as the top 2%-5% in selection test. The nyps school representatives reiterated that the school doesn't accept non-nyps students into the meta programme, even if they are among the top 2-5%.

From a current nyps P6 gepper, only selected few students joined the geppers for cl. Mainstream cl/hcl is different from gep cl/hcl. Unless all meta students are also taking gep cl papers. Does GEP branch allows this? Same practice throughout the 9 schools?

If nyps is making such drastic change (big class sizes, no pure GEP classes etc ), then the nyps principal has the responsibility to inform parents during the GEP briefing. One of the pros about GEP is the small class size.

Dnls_mum:

BigDevil:

There is no pure GEP class in NYPS. META is a programme to intermingle GEP students and students who just missed the mark for GEP.

NY takes in about 4 classes worth of GEP students. These students are allocated into 6 classes, each class having a mix of GEP and non-GEP students in the ratio of 17:10 (approx).

When they are having lessons for non-GEP subjects (CL, PE, arts, music, form teacher hour, trips, excursions), the intermingled students will have lessons together.

When it is time for lessons for GEP subjects (Eng, MA, Sc, SS), the 3 classes of non-GEP students will combine into 1 class for the lesson, while the GEP students will combine into 2 classes to have their lesson.

Is this new? When was it implemented? My DS finish P5 in NYPS last year. He was in GEP and there were 4 specific classes for GEP students and only intermingle for CL, I think.

DD starting P1 next year, so I need to get reacquainted with the system again

CayennePepper:

Melodies:

Yes, I'm asking for additional resources to be allocated to the mainstreamers (those who are 'very gifted' but were not selected and also with no helps but themselves and textbook!)

Hmmm... so we should have a sub-GEP category for said very-gifted-yet-suay-therefore-undiscovered gems who don't have much external support? How about those gifted kids who are not selected but lucky enough to have the support?

if undiscovered, how to know who they are? how to extend support to them?

BeContented:

Nebbermind:

I think I finally got it!

She's asking for additional resources to be allocated to the mainstreamers!
Am I right?

Actually there are many clamouring for the GEP materials :roll:
I really cannot appreciate 'treasure', saw some but I found it hard/dunno how to use. Perhaps I'm too stupid or my child not smart enough to be able to utilize such 'precious' stuff.

Friend of mine disposing her dc GEP materials. Maybe should ask from her and sell them for a profit. Any takers?

Melodies:

You mean the teacher marked the composition and provide a detailed comments and suggestion to improve and also marking draft 1, 2, 3 type of marking are not considered \" close-coaching\" in GEP . In mainstream, the teacher just provides the mark with 'nothing' literally.

Nebbermind:

I'm not aware any 'close coaching' in GEP.

If you mean to say mainstream in all schools including P3, i have to voice my disagreement. Teacher in my ds school does more than just providing a mark.

mwchua:

Reading the posts here has made me realize how much \"under-exposed\" my girl is.....


If I can turn back the clock of time, I might have done much more to ensure that she is at a more level playing field with her peers....She is now grossly behind the curve

In my personal opinion, the days of President Scholar coming from humble family backgrounds are maybe over???? :slapshead:

Do you mean exposure to enrichment centres or advanced reading/study materials?
Both are nothing new.

jershejos:

Freshmint:

[quote=\"Lock\"]
Cos I can't trust a 9yo to make decision in a short span of days. And I don't like to be rushed into decision making too. And this involves a gd 3 yrs of my kid's life.

So, I like to think through all pros n cons b4 making the decision. That's y I'm in this forum. That's my character, always planning ahead

Of cos if not selected than no need to make any decision also. Haha...

Maybe at my age, I worry more about white hair from fretting too much over things that haven't happened.

Freshmint, my grays is what already cannot be undone, but I do agree with Lock too. This is just to be prepared.[/quote]Thanks for making me feel young.

Lock:

Freshmint:

[quote=\"Lock\"]So, what wld be the choice?


To go to GEP (if selected) but hv to fall back on tuition to remain in 85-90% std or remain in mainstream where there's no need to hv tuition and still can achieve 85-90% in mainstream.

Why the dilemma now? Results aren't out yet.

Cos I can't trust a 9yo to make decision in a short span of days. And I don't like to be rushed into decision making too. And this involves a gd 3 yrs of my kid's life.

So, I like to think through all pros n cons b4 making the decision. That's y I'm in this forum. That's my character, always planning ahead

Of cos if not selected than no need to make any decision also. Haha...[/quote]Maybe at my age, I worry more about white hair from fretting too much over things that haven't happened.