2013 P1 Registration Exercise for 2014 In-Take
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bunnybluey:
While MOE website did say that \"At the end of Phase 2A(2), 50% of the remaining places will be allocated for Phase 2B and the other 50% for Phase 2C registrants in a school.\", it also said \"*The starting vacancies in Phase 2B and 2C may differ due to vacancies rolled over from Phase 2B, withdrawals from earlier phases or vacancies taken up by twins/ triplets registered successfully in the previous phase.\" at the end of http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/vacancies/.
Doesn't address the unfairness to the next phase point.
Anyway, that footnote at the end of the result is only stating what happened. It is not a statement of the balloting rules.
Sorry hor. MOE already said our kids must learn to do more critical thinking instead of accepting everything stated at face value.
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pirate:
That would be cool if such scenario really happened. MOE should have a guideline stated clearly what should be done if this really happened.ChiefKiasu:
You do have a valid point that if a ballot is conducted for this situation in Phase 2B, the singleton parents will be disadvantaged compared with the twins. Perhaps this was the consideration of MOE in waiving the ballot. But that decision also affected people in Phase 2C, because there would be a high chance that Phase 2C won't lose a place since it is highly unlikely that the twins' ball will be picked last. Imagine a scenario when the situation involves not twins, but triplets or quadruplets. Phase 2C will not only lose 1 place, but 2 or 3 places, if the ballot is not held in Phase 2B.
A certain school has 5 vacancies for P2B and 4 for P2C this year. Imagine if that school in P2B has registrations from 4 singletons and 1 group of quintuplets.
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wiltanws:
That would be cool if such scenario really happened. MOE should have a guideline stated clearly what should be done if this really happened. :)[/quote]Prehaps there's a footnote somewhere :rotflmao:pirate:
[quote=\"ChiefKiasu\"]You do have a valid point that if a ballot is conducted for this situation in Phase 2B, the singleton parents will be disadvantaged compared with the twins. Perhaps this was the consideration of MOE in waiving the ballot. But that decision also affected people in Phase 2C, because there would be a high chance that Phase 2C won't lose a place since it is highly unlikely that the twins' ball will be picked last. Imagine a scenario when the situation involves not twins, but triplets or quadruplets. Phase 2C will not only lose 1 place, but 2 or 3 places, if the ballot is not held in Phase 2B.
A certain school has 5 vacancies for P2B and 4 for P2C this year. Imagine if that school in P2B has registrations from 4 singletons and 1 group of quintuplets.
The note at the end of the registration vacancies page does suggest that MOE view P2B as having higher priority then P2C.
This is something I didn't consider becos upfront in the main policy, P2B and P2C will each have 50% of the remaining vacancies after P2A2, unless odd number.
Well, it is already happening for many schools with many not having registration at P2CS.
Guess it will be treated as same scenario as P2CS bah. The school registration will end at P2B bah. -
So far, there isn’t triplet not quadruplet.
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SAHM_TAN:
The entire P1 admission system suggests that MOE specifically, and the govt in general, favours relationship or guanxi over general notions of fairness or inclusiveness. Hence the order P2A, P2B, P2C... Hence, if there is an odd number, P2B gets one more than P2C, and not the other way round.Prehaps there's a footnote somewhere :rotflmao:
The note at the end of the registration vacancies page does suggest that MOE view P2B as having higher priority then P2C.
This is something I didn't consider becos upfront in the main policy, P2B and P2C will each have 50% of the remaining vacancies after P2A2, unless odd number.
Well, it is already happening for many schools with many not having registration at P2CS.
Guess it will be treated as same scenario as P2CS bah. The school registration will end at P2B bah.
This thing about 'fairness to singletons' in a ballot in the event of twins, triplets etc can also be resolved in other ways that does not involve stealing 1 space from the next phase. If the last ball that drops out belongs to the twins, the parents of the twins can always be given the choice to decide whether to send one child only to this school, or both to some other school. Then the ballot can go on fairly, no? Why steal a place from the next phase that is supposed to also have 50%?
But MOE is hardwired to think: give the insiders first. The rest of you wait in line. You should be grateful that there is a school vacancy for your child at all. Just look around us. :nunchuk: -
The entire p1 registration system should be revamped. It not only caught the attention of the Education Minister to monitor the situation but the limited number of vacancies available in certain schools has made the situation worse. Nevertheless, in the case of twins in 2C, will the school accommodate that extra by allocating in one more vacancy for the registration procedure as what happened to phase 2B? By splitting the pie to 1 number difference higher for 2B, the school has to take away part of the pie from 2C to accommodate the twin? What logic is this?
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pirate:
It is only this morning that I truly understand how MOE view priority for each phase.
The entire P1 admission system suggests that MOE specifically, and the govt in general, favours relationship or guanxi over general notions of fairness or inclusiveness. Hence the order P2A, P2B, P2C... Hence, if there is an odd number, P2B gets one more than P2C, and not the other way round.SAHM_TAN:
Prehaps there's a footnote somewhere :rotflmao:
The note at the end of the registration vacancies page does suggest that MOE view P2B as having higher priority then P2C.
This is something I didn't consider becos upfront in the main policy, P2B and P2C will each have 50% of the remaining vacancies after P2A2, unless odd number.
Well, it is already happening for many schools with many not having registration at P2CS.
Guess it will be treated as same scenario as P2CS bah. The school registration will end at P2B bah.
This thing about 'fairness to singletons' in a ballot in the event of twins, triplets etc can also be resolved in other ways that does not involve stealing 1 space from the next phase. If the last ball that drops out belongs to the twins, the parents of the twins can always be given the choice to decide whether to send one child only to this school, or both to some other school. Then the ballot can go on fairly, no? Why steal a place from the next phase that is supposed to also have 50%?
But MOE is hardwired to think: give the insiders first. The rest of you wait in line. You should be grateful that there is a school vacancy for your child at all. Just look around us. :nunchuk:
Aiyoh not steal lah. Priority given to earlier phase.
Very cruel lah to penalise parents with twins to go different schools. We not enough SCs babies liao leh. I would much prefer for school to absorb the extra student. Meaning one or more classes to have 31 students. -
sembgal:
The entire p1 registration system should be revamped. It not only caught the attention of the Education Minister to monitor the situation but the limited number of vacancies available in certain schools has made the situation worse. Nevertheless, in the case of twins in 2C, will the school accommodate that extra by allocating in one more vacancy for the registration procedure as what happened to phase 2B? By splitting the pie to 1 number difference higher for 2B, the school has to take away part of the pie from 2C to accommodate the twin? What logic is this?
The logic applied is that phase 2B is of a higher priority so registration is carried out before 2C. It does not always lead to it having more places in the end. In fact sometimes due to low take-up in 2B, 2C gets more places - RGPS this year is a case in point. The ballot is used as a tie-breaker but if that cannot be applied fairly a phase 2C place is taken up. -
SAHM_TAN:
Then MOE should not say this, because it is misleading:It is only this morning that I truly understand how MOE view priority for each phase.
Aiyoh not steal lah. Priority given to earlier phase.
Very cruel lah to penalise parents with twins to go different schools. We not enough SCs babies liao leh. I would much prefer for school to absorb the extra student. Meaning one or more classes to have 31 students.
[quote]Places in the school are allocated accordingly [sic ] to the order of priority laid out in the various phases of the Primary One Registration Exercise. There will be balloting amongst the applicants if the number of applications to a school exceeds the number of vacancies available in any of the phases from Phase 2A(1) to Phase 3.
At the end of Phase 2A(2), 50% of the remaining places will be allocated for Phase 2B and the other 50% for Phase 2C registrants in a school.[/quote]Twins no need to go different school what. If really unlucky in ballot, they can always choose to go to a different school. Parents still have a choice. Of course, it would be much preferred for school to absorb the extra student. But the problem is MOE apparently don't want that leh. MOE prefer to take the place from P2C. Why I don't know. -
now is 29 July 2013.
those of you doing Phase 2C on-line registration -
start today, 9 am.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissions/primary-one-registration/primary-one-internet-system/
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