Rosyth

[Blissedsher]

TT tan:

Hi I would like to find out from parents if you know


1. What are some secondary schools that students from roysth usually go to? One teacher from pro teach told me it is rare for any non gep student from roysth to go to nanyang girls, rgs, ri... Is it true? That standard in roysth is so low?

2. What is PSLE score range that non gep students get from roysth? Again the teacher says about 230-240.... Is it true? As I thought roysth standard should be quite high?

Thanks

Non gep getting 230-240 is not high ? It's really good already.. Psle in this few years are unlike many years before .. It's getting tougher .. A lot of parents are doing everything they can to get into this school .. If you feel your kid can do better , pls send her to another better school and give the rest this fighting chance of getting in..

[phtthp]

TT tan:

2. What is PSLE score range that non gep students get from roysth? Again the teacher says about 230-240.... Is it true? As I thought roysth standard should be quite high?
Thanks

For Non-GEP students -
Is not easy to get above 235.

Past years PSLE questions set were tough.
If child can get 235 to 240, is considered good.

But those who target \"IP\" Secondary schools -
should aim for at least 260.
In the event din achieve 260 and fall below, at least can fall back to above 250.
There are some \"IP\" Sec schools that admit students in, at lower end of 25X range.

[TT tan]

zbear:

TT tan:

Thanks for the response. So few make it to top schools then I wonder where the top students come from as the top sec schools do have a sizable number of sec one classes.

Dear TT Tan, this is not the first time you have been asking questions abt Rosyth n the impression that I got is you think Rosyth is not a good enuf school for you although many of us have already assured you based on our own personal experiences.

I can see that you strongly believe all the negative comments that you have received from your friends n sources without any concrete evidence.

May I suggest that you start looking at other schools that you deemed not to be a neighbourhood school but produces only top students (as that seems to be your primary concern while looking for a primary school for your child).

Sorry for being so blunt n no offence is intended.

Maybe be cause many of. My friends who have kids from top schools say that most of these are not really top schools apart from gep. Results are so so as teachers don't teach. So I am rather concern as I am new to this primary school environment.

And you are right, I do ask a lot of questions and hope to find out more so that I can make the best decision for my child based on the limited information we have. We don't take take the plunge and say all the best to our kids for the next six years. So far I have only spoken to one parent with kid from roysth 2 weeks ago and she says the kid is struggling with all the homework and school gives ridiculously high standard of work, not that the kid is stupid but because they are tested on things that are not taught. She concluded that if the kid is not in gep then will end up average .. Unless your family comes from super rich background that can afford tuition for all subjects and super duper enrichment class. Like I mentioned before another friend told me his kid in xx branded school is also hearsay. End of the day is a competition of who can afford better tuition or quality enrichment, is a game for the rich....

Imagine if you are in my position as a new parent,.... Would be quite uncertain after hearing from these friends right... But you are right also to say would I be stupid to give up a place in a branded school when everyone is fighting to go in... Is a tough decision to make... Unlike choosing for a childcare you can go in, talk to teachers, observe the environment, etc... Primary schools are close doors.... Can't really talk to school, or go in to see, etc.. So just got to depend on word of mouth

[phtthp]

TT tan:

My friends who have kids from top schools say that most of these are not really top schools apart from gep.
Results are so so as teachers don't teach.
So I am rather concern as I am new to this primary school environment.

And you are right, I do ask a lot of questions and hope to find out more so that I can make the best decision for my child based on the limited information we have.

We don't take take the plunge and say all the best to our kids for the next six years.
So far I have only spoken to one parent with kid from roystih 2 weeks ago and she says the kid is struggling with all the homework and school gives ridiculously high standard of work, not that the kid is stupid but because they are tested on things that are not taught.
She concluded that if the kid is not in gep then will end up average ...

Since your child is a current student studying inside Rosyth -
you may ask your school Principal in detail, to show you how the Mainstream itself alone performed (strip off those 2 GEP classes), for past 3 years PSLE 2011 to 2013 batch :-
Total number of students sat for PSLE, in that year.

- % of pupils scored above 260,
- % of pupils scored above 250,
- % of pupils scored 240 to 249.
- % of pupils scored 230 to 239.
- % of pupils scored 220 to 229.

from these % figures & the Total number of pupils sat for exam per batch -
you can calculate backwards the actual number of students, falling within each range.

from the % figures -
you can also tell where are majority of Mainstream Rosyth pupils falling into which range of T-score ?

No doubt below 250 cannot enter \"IP\" Secondary 1 schools :-
But there are some Secondary schools around, with good \"O\" level track.
(If T score below 250)

Normally, Principal of Rosyth school will inform Upper primary P5 / P6 parents + pupils how the school performed, during some parents' school meeting.
Lower primary : P may or may not disclose.
Maybe can request P to breakdown info into Mainstream alone vs. GEP students alone.

You may approach either P or VP, for more info.
(should be able to obtain info, since you're already an existing parent of Rosyth.
As parent of Rosyth, you've the right to know. Not for outsiders.

This apply not only to Rosyth.
Every parent whose child is studying in their respective primary school -
ought to know how their own school performed.
Particularly those studying : P4 to P6)

Tt Tan,
I agree with you, share the same concern as you.

Due to presence of GEP students, the results might have been camoflauged.
In fact, parents are more concerned with Mainstream.
Because GEP only 2 classes. Max only around 50 students, each GEP class around 25.

But how many P6 Mainstream classes in Rosyth ?
definitely exceed 2 classes, & don't forget one Mainstream class got around 40 students ?
size of one Mainstream class already far exceed that of one GEP class.

the majority, or the bulk of it, are still the Mainstream students.
I mean ... If my child is not a Gepper, shouldn't I be more concerned with how the teachers teach Mainstream ?
Parents from other GEP centre(s), do share the same concern, as you.
So don't be afraid.
Just approach your P politely, for data.

[TT tan]

phtthp:

TT tan:

My friends who have kids from top schools say that most of these are not really top schools apart from gep.
Results are so so as teachers don't teach.
So I am rather concern as I am new to this primary school environment.

And you are right, I do ask a lot of questions and hope to find out more so that I can make the best decision for my child based on the limited information we have.

We don't take take the plunge and say all the best to our kids for the next six years.
So far I have only spoken to one parent with kid from roystih 2 weeks ago and she says the kid is struggling with all the homework and school gives ridiculously high standard of work, not that the kid is stupid but because they are tested on things that are not taught.
She concluded that if the kid is not in gep then will end up average ...

Since your child is a current student studying inside Rosyth -
you may ask your school Principal in detail, to show you how the Mainstream itself alone performed (strip off those 2 GEP classes), for past 3 years PSLE 2011 to 2013 batch :-
Total number of students sat for PSLE, in that year.

- % of pupils scored above 260,
- % of pupils scored above 250,
- % of pupils scored 240 to 249.
- % of pupils scored 230 to 239.
- % of pupils scored 220 to 229.

from these % figures & the Total number of pupils sat for exam per batch -
you can calculate backwards the actual number of students, falling within each range.

from the % figures -
you can also tell where are majority of Mainstream Rosyth pupils falling into which range of T-score ?

No doubt below 250 cannot enter \"IP\" Secondary 1 schools :-
But there are some Secondary schools around, with good \"O\" level track.
(If T score below 250)

Normally, Principal of Rosyth school will inform Upper primary P5 / P6 parents + pupils how the school performed, during some parents' school meeting.
Lower primary : P may or may not disclose.
Maybe can request P to breakdown info into Mainstream alone vs. GEP students alone.

You may approach either P or VP, for more info.
(should be able to obtain info, since you're already an existing parent of Rosyth.
As parent of Rosyth, you've the right to know. Not for outsiders.

This apply not only to Rosyth.
Every parent whose child is studying in their respective primary school -
ought to know how their own school performed.
Particularly those studying : P4 to P6)

Tt Tan,
I agree with you, share the same concern as you.

Due to presence of GEP students, the results might have been camoflauged.
In fact, parents are more concerned with Mainstream.
Because GEP only 2 classes. Max only around 50 students, each GEP class around 25.

But how many P6 Mainstream classes in Rosyth ?
definitely exceed 2 classes, & don't forget one Mainstream class got around 40 students ?
size of one Mainstream class already far exceed that of one GEP class.

the majority, or the bulk of it, are still the Mainstream students.
I mean ... If my child is not a Gepper, shouldn't I be more concerned with how the teachers teach Mainstream ?
Parents from other GEP centre(s), do share the same concern, as you.
So don't be afraid.
Just approach your P politely, for data.

Thank you for your advice. I didn't know we can approach the p for such information. I find not publishing PSLE scores by moe also has the down side like not having enough information for parents to make decision. As much as it may create elistist attitude, not publishing PSLE scores may also make some parents hold on to wrong perception that xx school is still branded while many neighbourshood could infact be generating higher median scores....

My kid is not in roysth yet. Thinking of enrolling in July, therefore I have so many questions now ....

[hamtaro3]

Actually um. Rosyth has 3 GEP classes. The 2013 (this year sec 1) batch had 60 pupils. This year’s P6 batch has 74 pupils. The P5 batch this year has 80+ pupils. Not sure about P4 batch. And the mainstream performance is generally good.

[zbear]

TT tan:

Thank you for your advice. I didn't know we can approach the p for such information. I find not publishing PSLE scores by moe also has the down side like not having enough information for parents to make decision. As much as it may create elistist attitude, not publishing PSLE scores may also make some parents hold on to wrong perception that xx school is still branded while many neighbourshood could infact be generating higher median scores....

My kid is not in roysth yet. Thinking of enrolling in July, therefore I have so many questions now ....

I still don't understand why you are so overly concerned as to how well the Mainstreamers are performing.

Why don't you consider whether your kid is good enuf to be in Rosyth rather whether Rosyth is good enuf for your kid?

If your child is good, he/she will shine no matter which school he/she goes to. If he/she cannot perform, then what is the point of sending to a good school n suffer?

When I moved near to Rosyth, I don't think of all the questions like you. All I want is a school that is nearby so that its very convenient for me. I only heard that Rosyth is a very good school n I only hope that my kids can do well.

My kids were in the top 2 Mainstream classes n my elder did very well in PSLE - she has gone to an IP school. My younger didn't do as well as the elder but still good enuf to be in a popular SAP school.

A large majority of my kids' classmates went on to the top schools - be it IP or top Mainstream Sec School.

What I am trying to say is you should find out first whether your child is able to cope with the relatively high standard of Rosyth rather than whether the school is able to produce top non-GEP students.

Already you have a lot of misconceptions of Rosyth n you don't seem convinced, even if your child gets in, you will also be very unhappy with the school system.

So my recommendation is that you should start looking at other schools that you feel will be able to produce top non GEP students. Perhaps, you can ask your friends (whose kids are in top Sec Schools) which Primary School they are from n you can also do accordingly. One point to note - is there a guarantee that your child can go to top Sec School after you follow suit?

Once again I am very blunt, my apologies.

[chl72]

zbear:

TT tan:

Thank you for your advice. I didn't know we can approach the p for such information. I find not publishing PSLE scores by moe also has the down side like not having enough information for parents to make decision. As much as it may create elistist attitude, not publishing PSLE scores may also make some parents hold on to wrong perception that xx school is still branded while many neighbourshood could infact be generating higher median scores....

My kid is not in roysth yet. Thinking of enrolling in July, therefore I have so many questions now ....

I still don't understand why you are so overly concerned as to how well the Mainstreamers are performing.

Why don't you consider whether your kid is good enuf to be in Rosyth rather whether Rosyth is good enuf for your kid?

If your child is good, he/she will shine no matter which school he/she goes to. If he/she cannot perform, then what is the point of sending to a good school n suffer?

When I moved near to Rosyth, I don't think of all the questions like you. All I want is a school that is nearby so that its very convenient for me. I only heard that Rosyth is a very good school n I only hope that my kids can do well.

My kids were in the top 2 Mainstream classes n my elder did very well in PSLE - she has gone to an IP school. My younger didn't do as well as the elder but still good enuf to be in a popular SAP school.

A large majority of my kids' classmates went on to the top schools - be it IP or top Mainstream Sec School.

What I am trying to say is you should find out first whether your child is able to cope with the relatively high standard of Rosyth rather than whether the school is able to produce top non-GEP students.

Already you have a lot of misconceptions of Rosyth n you don't seem convinced, even if your child gets in, you will also be very unhappy with the school system.

So my recommendation is that you should start looking at other schools that you feel will be able to produce top non GEP students. Perhaps, you can ask your friends (whose kids are in top Sec Schools) which Primary School they are from n you can also do accordingly. One point to note - is there a guarantee that your child can go to top Sec School after you follow suit?

Once again I am very blunt, my apologies.

:goodpost:

[chl72]

zbear:

TT tan:

Thank you for your advice. I didn't know we can approach the p for such information. I find not publishing PSLE scores by moe also has the down side like not having enough information for parents to make decision. As much as it may create elistist attitude, not publishing PSLE scores may also make some parents hold on to wrong perception that xx school is still branded while many neighbourshood could infact be generating higher median scores....

My kid is not in roysth yet. Thinking of enrolling in July, therefore I have so many questions now ....

I still don't understand why you are so overly concerned as to how well the Mainstreamers are performing.

Why don't you consider whether your kid is good enuf to be in Rosyth rather whether Rosyth is good enuf for your kid?

If your child is good, he/she will shine no matter which school he/she goes to. If he/she cannot perform, then what is the point of sending to a good school n suffer?

When I moved near to Rosyth, I don't think of all the questions like you. All I want is a school that is nearby so that its very convenient for me. I only heard that Rosyth is a very good school n I only hope that my kids can do well.

My kids were in the top 2 Mainstream classes n my elder did very well in PSLE - she has gone to an IP school. My younger didn't do as well as the elder but still good enuf to be in a popular SAP school.

A large majority of my kids' classmates went on to the top schools - be it IP or top Mainstream Sec School.

What I am trying to say is you should find out first whether your child is able to cope with the relatively high standard of Rosyth rather than whether the school is able to produce top non-GEP students.

Already you have a lot of misconceptions of Rosyth n you don't seem convinced, even if your child gets in, you will also be very unhappy with the school system.

So my recommendation is that you should start looking at other schools that you feel will be able to produce top non GEP students. Perhaps, you can ask your friends (whose kids are in top Sec Schools) which Primary School they are from n you can also do accordingly. One point to note - is there a guarantee that your child can go to top Sec School after you follow suit?

Once again I am very blunt, my apologies.

:goodpost:

[dotb]

TT tan:

Maybe be cause many of. My friends who have kids from top schools say that most of these are not really top schools apart from gep. Results are so so as teachers don't teach. So I am rather concern as I am new to this primary school environment.

If that's the case, then perhaps should pick schools that don't have GEP yet produce students with good results :evil:

TT tan:

And you are right, I do ask a lot of questions and hope to find out more so that I can make the best decision for my child based on the limited information we have. We don't take take the plunge and say all the best to our kids for the next six years.

And rightfully so. I think it is important to know your child's capability and learning ability, then pick the school, and decide on a strategy to guide your child. I think it is important that the first years the child doesn't go for tuition, so the results truly reflect on what the child is capable of picking up from the classes itself, only then will the parents know the child. but of course, if you say the teacher don't teach, then I dunno what to say.

TT tan:

So far I have only spoken to one parent with kid from roysth 2 weeks ago and she says the kid is struggling with all the homework and school gives ridiculously high standard of work, not that the kid is stupid but because they are tested on things that are not taught. She concluded that if the kid is not in gep then will end up average ..

What level is the child at, I wonder how she come to that conclusion? I hear some parents of Rosyth say they don't give enough homework... but then, I only hearsay about other schools lah. I'm happy to say, I feel they didn't give too much homework in the first few years, actually. Till now, I still dunno what to conclude, but your friend seem very certain with her conclusion.

TT tan:

Unless your family comes from super rich background that can afford tuition for all subjects and super duper enrichment class. Like I mentioned before another friend told me his kid in xx branded school is also hearsay. End of the day is a competition of who can afford better tuition or quality enrichment, is a game for the rich....

Try not to paint so bleak a picture. Each kid have their own potential, some can make it, others can't. Some can make it with no tuition, others can't make it even with all the tuition.

TT tan:

Imagine if you are in my position as a new parent,.... Would be quite uncertain after hearing from these friends right... But you are right also to say would I be stupid to give up a place in a branded school when everyone is fighting to go in... Is a tough decision to make... Unlike choosing for a childcare you can go in, talk to teachers, observe the environment, etc... Primary schools are close doors.... Can't really talk to school, or go in to see, etc.. So just got to depend on word of mouth

I was also a new parent, no need to imagine, and so were many of those who commented here. I took the opportunity to do PV (lucky me) as a means to get to know the school, I had quite a fun time doing PV back then actually. I met all kinds of kids, from noisy to quiet, obnoxious to sweet children, some can see their uniform nicely ironed, and clean, others can be quite the opposite. Even right now, I still dunno what to make of it all They have all kinds of different children there, just like most other schools, I can't pin it down as 'this kind' or 'that kind' of school.